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of the example of the whole nation, you those which poor old crazy Peg is said to will, I am sure, readily allow. It is not have employed. What was Peg's penonly the duty, but it is the inlerest, of the knife when compared to the conspiracy people to step forward and cause themselves against the Princess ? To be sure, in this to be heard upon such occasions. To hold case, the carrying up of an address will be their tongues, in such cases, is tacitly to attended with no creation of Knights. This acknowledge that they are nothing, and, of is, really, the only difference in the two course, that their opinions may safely be cases ; except that in the present case the despised by their rulers.
party to be addressed stands in need of the Nevertheless, I have heard, and, in support of the people. deed, not with much surprise, that there
It would give me, on another account, are certain persons in the City of London, singular satisfaction to see the Princess reattached to the faction called the Whigs, ceive those marks of the approbatiou of the who are disposed to discourage these public people. Those marks of approbation could demonstrations of the feeling of the people. not fail to make on her mind, as well as on It is easy to conceive, that they must dis- the mind of her daughter, who has so like any thing tending to throw a slur upon strong an affection for her, an impression their party; they know, that it was their favourable to popular rights; to endear the party, who, with the Princess's defence people to them, and to show them, that, before them, hesitated four months before after all, the preservation of the people's they advised the King to receive her at liberties and privileges is the best guarancourt, and then only accompanied with an tee, is far more efficacious than armies and admonition, that admonition which every sinecure place-men, in the support of the human being is now ready to pronounce throne and the Royal Family. When the judgment upon. An address to Her Royal City of London shall have carried their Highness would necessarily be a condemna- Address to the Princess of Wales; when tion of the Whig ministry; and, there they shall have expressed their detestation fore, it is that its partisans are endeavour of the conspiracy against her life and hoing to prevent such a measure on the part nour, Her Royal Highness and her Daughof any portion of the people.
ter will have to compare the conduct of the But, was there ever so fit an occasion for people with that of those orders, whom the an address ? When the King was thought enemies of liberty have represented as the to have been in danger from the pen-knife greal props of the throne. What an useful of a poor old mad-woman, addresses of lesson will this be to give to her, who, in loyalty, affection, and of congratulation at the course of nature, is destined to be our his escape, poured in from every county, Sovereign! It ought to make, and I have city, and town in his dominions ; and, shall no doubt that it will make, a strong and those who were filled with horror at the at-lasting impression upon her mind ; that it tentpt of Peg Nicholson, be silent at the will arm her before-hand against those padiscovery of the attempt of Lady Douglas rasites (never wanting to a court), who and her coadjutors? Shall those who were would persuade her that every right posso loud in their cries of abhorrence on the sessed by the people is so much taken from former occasion, be now dumb as posts ? 'her; that it will lead her to respect instead The life of the King was then attempted; of despising, to confide in instead of susand has not the life of the Princess of pecting, to love and cherish instead of Wales been now attempted ? Aye, and having and harassing, the people, whose by means, too, much more infamous than good sense, whose love of justice, whose abhorrence of baseness and cruelty, have proper hour? or in a manner, and under circum
stances, which afforded reason for unfavourable proved the best safe-guards of the life and interpretations? If this were so, can it be behonour of her Mother.
lieved that I would, under such circumstances,
have taken a step, such as calling for breakfast, I have now, my good friend, completed at an unusual hour, which must have made the the task which I had imposed upon myself. fact more notorious and remarkable, and brought
the attention of the servants, who must have I have done all that lay in my power to waited at the breakfast, more particularly and make the innocence and the injuries of the
pointedly to it?
But if there be any thing which rests, or is Princess of Wales known to the world; and, supposed to rest, upon the credit of this wit
ness--though she is one of the four, whose credit though, in the performance of this task, I your Majesty will recollect it has been stated have been animated with a consciousness that there was no reason to question, yet she
stands in a predicament in which, in general, that I was discharging a sacred duty to my at least, I had understood it to be supposed, country, I have derived additional satisfac- that the credit of a witness was not only ques
tionable, but materially shaken, For, towards tion from the ever-recurring thought that I the beginning of her examination, she states,
that Mr. Mills attended her for a cold; he was addressing myself to you, and giving asked her if the Prince came to Blackheath you, if that death which
backwards and forwards; or something to that fear not has you
effect: for the Princess was with child; or not yet closed your eyes, a 'renewed proof looked as if she was with child. This must
have been three or four years ago. She thought of my unalterable gratitude and esteem.'
it must be some time before the child (W. Austin) WM. COBBETT. was brought to the Princess. To this fact she
positively swears, and in this she is as positively Botley, 2d April, 1813.
contradicted by Mr. Mills; for he swears, in his deposition before the Commissioners, that
he never did say to her, or any one, that the THE BOOK.
Princess was with child, or looked as if she (Continued from page 480, and concluded.) was with child ;-that never thought so, nor pretend to say - I mean on occasion of two water surmised any thing of the kind. Mr. Mills has parties which I intended, one of which did not a partner, Mr. Edineades. The Commissioners take place at all, and the other not so early in therefore, conceiving that Fanny Lloyd might the day as was intended, nor was its object ef- have mistaken one of the partners for the other, fected. Once I intended to pay Admiral Mon. examine Mr. Edmeades also. Mr. Edmeades, in tague a visit to Deal; but wind and tide not his deposition, is equally positive that he never serving, we sailed much later than we intended; said any such thinga-so the matter rests upon and instead of landing at Deal, the Admiral these depositions; and upon that state of it, came on board our vessel, and we returned to what pretence is there for saying, that a witness East Cliff in the evening; on which occasion who swears to a conversation with a medical Captain Manby was not of the party, nor was he person, who attended me, of so extremely imin the Downs--but it is very possible, that hav- portant a nature, and is so expressly and deing prepared to set off early, I might have walked cidedly contradicted in the important fact which down towards the sea, and been seen by Fanny she speaks to, is a witness whose credit there Lloyd. On the other occasion, Captain Manby appears no reason to question? This important was to have been of the party, and it was to have circumstance must surely have been overlooked been on board his ship. I desired him to be early when that statement was made.-—But this at my house in the morning, and if the day suited fact of Mr. Mills and Mr. Edmeades's contrame, we would go. He came; I walked with him diction of Fanny Lloyd, appears to your Matowards the sea, to look at the morning; I did jesty, for the first time, from the examination not like the appearance of the weather, and did before the Commissioners.---But this is the fact not go to sea. Upon either of these occasions which I charge as having been known to those Fanny Lloyd might have been called up to make who are concerned in bringing forward this inbreakfast, and might have seen me walking. As formation, and which, nevertheless, was not to the orders not having been given her over communicated to your Majesty. The fact that night; to that I can say nothing. ---But upon Fanny Lloyd declared, that Mr. Mills told her this statement, what inference can be intended the Princess was with child, is stated in the to be drawn from this fact? It is the only one in declarations which were delivered to his Royal which F. Lloyd's evidence can in any degree be Highness the Prince of Wales, and by liim forapplied to Captain Manby; and she is one of the warded to your Majesty.~The fact that Mr.' important witnesses referred to, as proving some- Mills denied ever having so said, though known thing wbich must particularly, as with regard to at the same time, is not stated.That I may Captain Manby, be credited till contradicted, not appear to have represented so strange a and as deserving the most serions consideration. fact, without sufficient authority, I subjoin the From the examination of Mrs. Fitzgerald I col- declaration of Mr. Mills, and the deposition lect, that she was asked whether Captain Manby of Mr. Edmeades, which prove it. Fanny ever slept in the house at East Cliff; to which she, Lloyd's original declaration which was delito the best of her knowledge, answers in the ne- vered to His Royal Highness, is dated on the gative. Is this evidence then of Fanny Lloyd's 12th of February. It appears to have been relied upon, to afford an inference that Captain taken at the Temple; I conclude therefore at Manby slept in my house; or was there at an im- the chambers of Mr. Lowten, Sir John Douglas's
solicitor, who, according to Mr. Cole, accom: tified in saying, that neither His Royal Highpanied him to Cheltenham to procure some of ness, nor your Majesty, any more than myself, these declarations. On the 13th of February, had been fairly dealt with, in not being fully the next day after Fanny Lloyd's declaration, informed upon this important fact; and your the Earl of Moira sends for Mr. Mills, upon Majesty will forgive a weak, unprotected woman, pressing business. Mr. Mills attends him on like myself, who, under such circumstances, the 14th; he is asked by his Lordship upon the should apprehend that, however Sir John and subject of this conversation; he is told he may Lady Douglas may appear my ostensible acrely upon his Lordship’s honour, that what cusers, I have other enemies, whose ill-will I may passed should be in perfect confidence; (a con- have occasion to fear, without feeling myself fidence which Mr. Mills, feeling it to be on assured, that it will be strictly regulated, in its a subject too important to liis character, at the proceeding against me, by the principles of moment disclaims ;)--that it was his (the Earl fairness and of justice. I have now, Sire, of Moira's) duty to his Prince, as his coun- gone through all the evidence which respects sellor, to inquire into the subject, which he Captain Manby; whether at Montague House, had known for some time.-Fanny Lloyd's Southend, or East Cliff, and I do trust, that statement being then related to Mr. Mills, your Majesty will see, upon the whole of it, Mr. Mills, with great warmth, declared that how mistaken a view the Commissioners havé it was an infamous falsehood.-Mr. Lowten, taken of it. The pressure of other duties enwho appears also to bave been there by ap- grossing their tinie and their attention, has pointment, was called into the room, and he made them leave the important duties of this tiurnished Mr. Mills with the date to which Fan-investigation, in many particulars, imperfectly ny Lloyd's declaration applied. The meeting discharged a more ihorough attention to it ends in Lord Moira's desiring to see Mr. Mills's must have given the in a better and truer insight partner, Mr. Edmeades, who, not being at into the characters of those witnesses, upon home cannot attend him for a few days. He whose credit, as I ani convinced, your Majesty does, however, upon his return, attend him on will now sce, they have without sufficient reason the 20th of May: on his attendance, instead relied. There remains nothing for me, on this of Mr. Lowten, he finds Mr. Conant, the ma- part of the charge to perform; but, adverting gistrate, with Lord Moira. He denies the con- to the circumstance which is falsely sworn versation with Fanny Lloyd, as positively and against me by Mr. Bid'good, of the salute, aud peremptorily as Mr. Mills. Notwithstanding the false inference and insinuation, from other however all this, the Declaration of Fanny facts, that Captain Mariby slept in my house, Lloyd is delivered to His Royal Highness, un- either at Southend, or East Cliff, on my accompanied by these contradictions, and for own part most solemnly to declare, that they warded to your Majesty on the 29th. That Mr. are both utterly false ; that Bidgood's asser, Lowten was the Solicitor of Sir John Douglas tion as to the salute, is a malicious slanin this business, cannot be doubted, that he derous invention, without the slightest shadow took some of those declarations, which were of truth to support it; that his suspicions laid before your Majesty, is clear; and that he and insinuations, as to Captain Mauby's having took this declaration of Fanny Lloyd's, seems slept in my house, are also the false suggestions of not to be questionable. That the inquiry by his own malicious mind; and that Captain Manby Earl Moira, two days after her declaration was never did, to my knowledge : or belief, sleep in taken, must have been in consequence of an my Honse at Southend, East Cliff, or any other early communication of it to him, seems ne bonse of mine whatever ; and, however often he cessarily to follow from what is above stated; may have been in my compariy, I solemnly prothat it was known, on the 14th of May, that test to your Majesty, as I l lave done in the Mr. Mills contradicted this assertion; and, on former cases, that nothing eve r passed between the 20th, that Mr. Edmeades did, is perfectly him and me, that I should be ashamed, or unclear; and yet, notwithstanding all this, the willing that all the world should have seen. And fact, that Mr. Edmeades and Mr. Mills con- I have also, with great pain, a od with a deep tradicted it, seems to have been pot commu. sense of wounded delicacy, app, led to Captain nicated to His Royal Highness the Prince of Manby to attest to the same truths, and 1 subWales, for he, as it appears from the Report, join to this letter his deposition to that effect. forwarded the declarations which had been de I stated to your Majesty, that Is bould be obliga livered to His Royal Highness, through the ed to return to other parts of i 'anny Lloyd's Chancellor, to your Majesty: and the declara- testimony ;-At the end of it she says, “ I never tion of Fanny Lloyd, which had been so falsi- told Cole that M. Wilson, when he supposed fied, to the knowledge of the Earl Moira and the Princess to be in the library, hi id gone into of Mr. Lowten, the Solicitor for Sir John the Princess's bed-room, and had fi pund a man Douglas, is sent into your Majesty as one of there at breakfast with the Prince: 18; or that the documents, on which you were to ground there was a great to do about it, a od that M. your inquiry, unaccompanied by its falsification Wilson was sworn to secrecy, and the eatened to by Mills and Edmeades; at least, no declara- be turned away, if she divulged whi it she had tions by them are amongst those, which are seen.” This part of her examination, your Ma. transmitted to me, as copies of the original jesty will perceive, must have been called from declarations which were laid before your Ma- her, by some precise question, addresse ?d to her, jesty. I know not whether it was Lord Moira, with respect to a supposed communicat ion from or Mr. Lowten, who should have communicated her to Mr. Cole. In Mr. Cole's exar nination, this circumstance to His Royal Highness, but there is not one word upon the subject o fit. In that, in all fairness, it ought unquestionably to his original declaration, however, there is; and have been communicated by some one. I there your Majesty will perceive, that he affirms dare not trust myself with any inferences from the fact of her having reported to him Ma ry Wilthis proceeding; I content myself with remark. son's declaration in the very same words in which ing, that it must now be felt, that I was jus. Fanny Lloyd denies it, and it is therefoi t evident that the Commissioners, in putting this I had seen and related to Fanny Lloyd, they could question to Faupy Lloyd, must have put it to not have been at a loss to have discovered whieb her from Cole's declaration. She positively de- of these witnesses told the truth. They would nies the fact; there is then a flat and precise have found, I am perfectly confident, that all contradiction, between the examination of Fanny that Mary Wilson ever could have told Famy Lloyd and the original statement of Mr. Cole. Lloyd, was that she had seen Sir Sidney and myIt is therefore impossible that they both can have self in the blue room, and they would then have spoken true. The Commissioners, for some rea- had to refer to the malicious, and confederated son, don't examine Cole to this point at all; don't inventions of the Bidgoods and Mr. Cole, for the endeavour to trace out this story; if they had, conversion of the blue-room into the bed-room ; they must have discovered which of these wit- for the vile slander of what M. Wilson was supnesses spoke the truth, but they leave this contra- posed to have seen, and for the violent effect diction not only unexplained, but uninquired after which this scene had upon her. I say their comand in that state, report both these witnesses, federated inventions, as it is impossible to suppose Cole and Fanny Lloyd, who thus speak to the that they could have been concerned in inventtwo sides of a contradiction, and who therefore ing the same additions to Fanny Lloyd's story, cannot by possibility both speak truth, as wit- unless they had communicated together upon it. nesses who cannot be suspeeted of partiality, And when they bad once found Mrs. Bidgood and whose credit they see no reason to question, and Mr. Cole, thus conspiring together, they would whose story must be believed till contradicted. have had no difficulty in connecting them both
--Bat what is, if possible, still more extra- in the same conspiracy with Sir John Douglas, ordinary, this supposed communication from F. by shewing how connected Cole was with Sir Lloyd to Cole, as your Majesty observes, relates John Donglas, and how acquainted with his proto something which M. Wilson is supposed to have ceedings, in collecting the evidence which was seen and to have said; yet though M. Wilson to support Lady Douglas's declaration. appears herself to have been examined by the For, by referring to Mr. Cole's declaration, Commissioners on the same day with Fanny made on the 23d of February, they wonld have Lloyd, in the copy of her examiuation, as de- seen that Mr. Cole, in explaining some observalivered to me, there is no trace of any question tion about Sir Sidney's supposed possession of a relating to this declaration having been put to key to the garden-door, says that it was what ber.
“ Mr. Lampert, the servant of Sir John Douglas, And I have not less reason to lament than to “ mentioned at Cheltenban to Sir John Douglas be surprised, that it did not occur to the Com. « and Mr. Lowten."-How should Mr. Cole missioners, to see the necessity of following this know that Sir Jolin Douglas and Mr. Lowten inquiry, still further; for, if properly pursned, it had been down to Cheltenham, to collect eviwould have demonstrated two things, both very dence from this old servant of Sir John Doug. important to be kept in mind in the whole of las? How should be bave known what that this consideration. First, how hearsay represen. evidence was? voless he had either accompanied tations of this kind, arising out of little or no- them himself, or at least had had such a comthing, become magnified and exaggerated by munication either with Sir John Douglas, or the circulation of prejudiced or malicious Re. Mr. Lowten, as it never could have occurred to porters; and, secondly, it would have shewn the any of them to have made to Mr. Cole, unless, industry of Mr. and Mrs. Bidgood, as well as instead of being a mere witness, he were a party Mr. Cole, in collecting information in support of to this accusation? But whether they had conLady Douglas's statement, and in improving vinced themselves, that Fanny Lloyd spoke what they collected by their false colourings and true, and Cole and Mrs. Bidgood falsely; or malicious additions to it. They would have whether they had convinced themselves of the found a story in Mrs. Bidgood's declaration, as ' reverse, it could not have been possible, that well as in her husband's (who relates it as having they both could have spoken the truth; and, heard it from his wife), which is evidently the consequently, the Commissioners could never same as that which w. Cole's declaration con- have reported the veracity of both to be free tains ; for the Bidgoods' declarations state, that from suspicion, and deserving of credit. There Fanny Lloyd told Mrs. Bidgood, that Mary Wil- only remains that I should make a few observason had gone into the Princess's bed-room, and tions on what appears in the examinations relahad found Her Royal Highness and Sir Sydney tive to Mr. Hood (now Lord Hood), Mr. Chester, in the most criminal situation; that she had left and Captain Moore: and I really should not the room, and was so shocked, that she fainted have thought a single observation necessary upon away at the door. Here, then, are Mrs. Bidgood either of them, except that what refers to them and Mr. Cole, both declaring what they had is stated in the examinations of Mrs. Lisle. beard Fanny Lloyd say, and Fanny Lloyd deny. With respect to Lord Hood, it is as follows: ing it. How extraordinary is it that they were " I was at Catherington with the Princess; renot all confronted! and your Majesty will see “ member Mr. (now Lord Hood) there, and the presently how much it is to be lamented that they “ Princess going out airing with him, alune in were not; for, from Fanny Lloyd's original de- “ Mr. Hood's little whiskey; and bis servant was claration, it appears that the truth would have “ with them; Mr. Hood drove, and staid out come out, as she there states, that, “to the best “ two or three times; more than once ; three or of ber knowledge, Mary Wilson said, that she “ four times. Mr. Hood dined with us several had seen the Princess and Sir Sydney in the Blue “ limes; once or twice he slept in a house in the Room, but never heard Mary Wilson say she was garden; she appeared to pay no attention to so alarined as to be in a fit." If then, on con- “ him, but that of common civility to an inti. fronting Fanny Lloyd with Mrs. Bidgood and mate acquaintance.” Now, Sire, it is undoubtMr. Cole, the Commissioners had found Fanny edly true that I drove out several times with Lloyd's story to be what she related before, and Lord Hood in his one-horse chaise, and some few had then put the question to Mary Wilson, and times, twice, I believe, at most, without any of bad b'rard from her what it really was which she my servants attepding us ; and considering the
time of life, and the respectable character of my ing to examine Mrs. Lisle upon my attention to Lord Hood, I never should have conceived that Mr. Chester, my walking out with him, and, I incurred the least danger to my reputation in so
above all, as to his being a pretty young man, doing. If, indeed, it was the duty of the Com- 1 conceive it to be so intended), I am sure your missioners to inquire into instances of my con- Majesty will see, that it is the hardest thing ima. duct, in which they may conceive it to have been ginable upon me, that, upon an less reserved and dignified than what would pro- which passed in Lady Sheffield's house, on a visit perly become the exalted station which I hold in to her, Lady Sheffield herself was never examinyour Majesty's Royal Family, it is possible that, ed; for, if she had been, I am convinced that in the opinions of some, these drives with my these noble Lords, the Commissioners, never could Lord Hood were not consistent with that station, have put me to the painful degradation of stating and that they were particularly improper in those any thing upon this subject. The statement instances in which we were not attended by more begins by Mrs. Lisle's inquiring, what company servants, or any servants of nuy own. Upon this was there? and Lady Sheffield saying, “only I have only to observe, that ihese instances oc- Mr. John Chester, who was there by Her Royal curred after I had received the news of the la- Highness's orders; that she could get no other mented death of your Majesty's brother, the company, on account of the roads." Is not this, Duke of Gloucester, I was at that time down Sire, left open to the inference that Mr. John by the sea-side for my health. I did not like to Chester was the only person who had been inforego the advantage of air and exercise for the vited by my orders?' tf Lady Sheffield had been short remainder of the time which I had to stay examined, she would have been able to have prothere; and I parposely chose to go out, 'not in duced the very letter in which, in answer to her my own carriage, and unattended, that I might Ladyship's request, that I would let her know not be seen, and known to be driving about (my- what company it would be agreeable for me to self and my attendants ont of mourning) while meet, I said, “every thing of the name of North, His Royal Highness was known to have been so all the Legges, and Chesters, William and John, recently dead. This statemeut, however, is all &c. &c. and Mr. Elliott.”. Instead of singling that I have to make upon my part of the case ; out, therefore, Mr. John Chester, I included him and whatever indecorum or impropriety of beha- in the enumeration which I made of the near reviour the Commissioners have fixed upon me by lations of Lady Sheffield; and your Majesty, this circumstance, it must remain; for I cannot from this alone, cannot fail to see how false a codeny the truth of the fact, and have only the lour even a true fact can assume, if it be not sufabove explanation to offer of it. As to what ficiently inquired into and explained. As to Mrs. Lisle's examination contains with respect to the circumstances of my having been taken ill in Mr. Chester and Captain Moore, it is so con.
the night, being obliged to get up, and light my nected, that I must trouble your Majesty with candle; why this fact should be recorded, I am the statement of it altogether.
wholly at a loss to conceive. All the circum"I was with Her Royal Highness at Lady stances, however, respecting it, connected very Sheffield's, at Christmas, 'in Sussex. I inquired much as they are with the particular disposition what company was there when I canie; she said, of Lady Sheffield's house, would have been fully only Mr. John Chester, who was there by Her explained, if thought material to have been in. Royal Highness's orders; that she could get no quired after, by Lady Sheffield herself; and I other company to meet her, on account of the should have been relieved from the painful de. roads and the season of the year. He dined and gradation of alluding at all to a circumstance slept there that night. The next day other com- which I could not further detail, without a great pany came; Mr. Chester remained. I heard her degree of indelicacy; and as I cannot possibly Royal Highness say she had been ill in the night, suppose such a detail can be necessary for my and came out for a light, and lighted her candle defence, it would, especially in addressing your in her servant's rooni. I returned from Sheffield- Majesty, be wholly inexcusable. With respect place to Blackheath with the Princess; Captain to the attention which I paid to Mr. Chester, Moore dined there ; I left him and the Princess and my walking out twice alone with him for a twice alone, for a short time; he might be alone short time, I know not how to notice it. At this half an hour with her in the room below, in distance of time I am not certain that I can, which we had been sitting. I went to look for with perfect accuracy, account for the circuma book to complete a set Her Royal Highness stance. It appears to have been a rainy mornwas lending Captain Moore. She made him a ing; it was on the 27th or 28th of December; present of an inkstand, to the best of my recol- and whether, wishing to take a walk, I did not lection. He was there one morning in January desire Lady Sheffield, or Mrs. Lisle, or any Lady last, on the Princess Charlotte's birth-day; he to accompany me in doing what, in snch a morn. went away before the rest of the company. Iing, I might think night be disagreeable to thein, might be about twenty minutes the second time I really cannot precisely state to your Majesty. I was away, the night Captain Moore was there. But here, again, perhaps, in the judgment of At Lady Sheffield's Her Royal Highness paid some persons, may be an instance of familiarity, more attention to Mr. Chester than to the rest of which was not consistent with the dignity of the the Company. I know of Her Royal Highness Princess of Wales; but, surely, prejudice against walking out alone; twice, with Mr. Chester, in me and my character must exceed all natural the morning alone; once, a short time, it rained; bounds in those minds in which any inference of the other not an hour, not long. Mr. Chester is crime or moral depravity can be drawn from a pretty young man; her attentions to him were such a fact. As to Captain Moore, it seems be not uncommon; not the same as to Captain was left alone with me, and twice in one afterManby.”
noon, by Mrs. Lisle; he was alone with me half At first, Sire, as to what relates to Mr. Chester. an hour. The first time Mrs. Lisle left us, her If there is any imputation to be cast upon my examination says, it was to look for a book which character by what passed at Sheffield-place with I wished to lend to Captain Moore. How long Mr. Chester (and by the Commissioners return she was absent on that occasion she is not asked;