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the general character of our documents is such statutes, which is a precisely analogous work to matter of injustice to others who have written
as I have stated. Some of these docaments this, and we received a communication from the on this subject, for it gives a sort of monopoly
perhaps are not valuable, are not published coditiers this morning. Suppose some private to this particular book. It gives an advantage
perhaps with very much discretion ; but still individual had codified the statutes thoroughly, l1 certainly to this author which those who have
ihere is a very broad distinction between the just as we find the decisions on the Constitu | charge of the publication of Story's Work or
publication of documents of that character at tion codified and arranged in this work, and Sheppard's Work or Wilson's Work will not
the public expense and the purchase of books offered it to us at fifty per cent. or ten per cent. have, because it comes with the approbation of

of a general character applicable as well to a less than the usual cost, would it not be legiti- the Government.
State Legislature as to Congress, to the lawyer mate for us to buy it? It is just as important Then, again, I see no reason why this book

Cipai me in his office and the private student as to a to us to have the practice of the Government should be published and sent abroad at the Senator. under the Constitution, and the decisions upon expense of the Government any more than the

540 ( Such is the character of this book. It is a the Constitution before us in a convenient shape | statutes should be. Why should not Congress

330 good book, and could be studied with profit as it is to have the statutes codified.

on the same principle publish the entire body
by everybody, but it does not pertain pecu. This work has been done, well done, better of our statutes and send them out into every
liarly to Congress. It contains information done than a commission would have done it; school district of the country?
that everybody ought to have; that members and the question now is, after it has been done, Mr. MORTON. Or Helper's Book.
of the Senate ought to possess in order to a work which we ourselves would have ordered, Mr. PATTERSON, of New Hampshire.

enable them in discharge their duties well. || whether we shall purchase some copies of it. || Or Helper's Book. I am inclined to think that
But, sir, there are thousands of books, as was If it were an original question, after Hickey's would be more help to the country than this
suggested by the Senator from Vermont, works Constitution and Digest had gone out of print, will be. I am surprised that my friend from
on geography, works of science of varions and much new matter of construction of the || Indiana (Mr. HENDRICKS) should urge this
kinds, that it would be important for 18 to Constitution had come up and needed arrange. matter, because about a year and a ball ago
possess and to understand ; but should we pur- ment, and there had been a proposition to I believe the Constitution was left in almost
chase at public expense books of that kind | appoint three gentlemen to codify and arrange every village of the West in a famous tour that
because we need them and because we ought the authorities and decisions, I think it would was made, and Indiana was especially favored
to know what they contain? If so, we should meet with the approbation of the Senate. I in that circulation. [Laughter.]
be furnished with libraries at the public ex- think it is quite as important as the codifica. Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. And the flag.

kip pense. In my opinion the purchase of books tion of the laws. It is just as important for Mr. PATTERSON, of New Hampshire. of this kiod cannot be justified.

us to know what have been the decisions of Yes, sir; and the flag also, and I am not aware The Senator from Illinois says that this book the different departments on the Constitution that there is even a picture of the flag in this will not sustain itself if Congress does not help as it is to have the statutes codited and book. (Laughter.] it. Then, like other books, it will go out of arranged. It is a work of great labor; and it Mr. HENDRICKS. Does the Senator in

CRE print. There are thousands of good books has been admirably done by a gentleman of dorse that view of the Constitntion? that fail; but books of real value, as a general great ability, better than a commission would Mr. PATTERSON, of New Hampshire. No; thing, sustain themselves in this country; they have done it; and the question now is whether I think it is a spurious edition; but many of are profitable. So many copies of them are we shall give this work some encouragement the people of the West have been indoctrinated sold that it is wholly unnecessary for the Gov- by purchasing a few copies. It is a work that in that view of the Constitution, and it might ernment to come in and aid the publisher or will not obtain the circulation that it ought to be better, perhaps, to give them a better edition author. If we need this book we ought to obtain without some appropriation from Con- of the work. buy it at our own expense, just as we would gress. It is more useful for members of Con- Mr. President, the principle upon which we buy a work on geography or geology or min- gress than for anyone else. Itought to be circu- have published the agricultural reports and eralogy

lated in the libraries. It is of great importance the reports of our exploring expeditions is 8 The Senator from Illinois (Mr. TRUMBULL] that the people should know what the Consti- very different one. The material which enters says that we ought to republish the Constitu- tution is and how it has been regarded by dif- into the agricultural report is collected by the tion. Sir, there is another book that the mem- ferent departments of the Government, and Government itself, and cannot be collected by bers of this Senate need about as badly as they how its provisions have been construed. Inas. any individual or society, and that material is do the Constitution, and that is the New Tes. much as this work, which we would have author. | digested and put into the form of a book, and tament. I have seen a recent publication of ized in the beginning, has been accomplished then sent all over the country for the advantage Commentaries on the New Testament, said to by the private enterprise of an eminent man, of the agricultural interests of the country. So be in a very compact and excellent form, and it seems to me it does not fall under the same these great exploring expeditions are always novel in its character. We, individually, need head as ordinary publications. That was my accompanied by men of science who collect that book as much as we do this, and there lopivion when the subject was before the Com- the materials of science; those materials are would be just as much propriety in buying it at mittee on the Judiciary, and I think so still. taken and digested and put into form by some the expense of the Government as there would I think there is a distinction between it and men of science, and then circulated at the be in buying this book, especially at this time; other published works which do not relate so public expense, simply because no individual, but who would think of doing that?

materially to the carrying on of the Govern- and no number of individuals, could collect Mr. President, let us set the example of ment. To understand the construction of the that material or circulate it at their own ex. retrenchment in every reasonable form. I do Constitution every department of the Govern- pense. Every interest of science is advanced not mean to retrench expenses where they are ment must have some knowledge. Let us have by that circulation, and the whole country is necessary, to adopt the penny-wise and pound- some means of obtaining knowledge in carry- benefited. But there is no earthly reason why foolish system of economy; but where there | ing on these different departments. We need this book should be sent abroad at the public are expenses that are not legitimate in their it for practical use as much as we do the stat

expense any more than fifty others. Why character, and can be well and properly dis. utes, and it is quite as important. If we had should not the United States Senate pass all pensed with, we ought to dispense with them. made this codification it would have cost us amendment to this bill that the Government This is only $15,000; but we have no right to ten times as much as it will to get it in the way should publish some of the editious of the expend it in this direction. that is now proposed.

spelling book, Webster's, for instance, or WorSomething was said about supporting the fine Mr. PATTERSON, of New Hampshire. cester's edition of the spelling book, because it arts. Well, sir, there are two ways of doing Until the gentleman from Nevada made iis

is better than any other spelling book which that. The appropriation that we have made of remarks on this amendment, I could not under- bas ever been published, and, therefore, send it $10,000 for a work of art may turn out to be stand why it was brought here fro the Judi forth at the public expense? I aw entirely valuable hereafter. At the present time, I ciary Committee, and I am not able to see now opposed to this thing. We publish too many believe, it is generally the subject of ridicule. why they should have selected this particular books at the public expense.

Mr. President, I am utterly opposed to this book rather than half a dozen other books. Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I do not feel amendment. If we need this book let us buy We have a small epitome or digest of Story's very strongly about this matter any way, and it, as we would any other book that is important Commentaries on the Constitution. Then there

I hardly know that I should feel called upon to us; and let the people buy it, as probably a is Sheppard's small work upon the Constitu- to say anything in regard to it, if it were not great many of them will do ; but the idea of our tion, and Wilson's, and some half a dozen moved as it is by the Senator from Illinois, purchasing ten thousand copies of a new work other books just like this.

who admonished me yesterday that I was in on the Constitution containing commentaries, Mr. STEWART. None of those books are danger of appearing neglectful, to say the notes, and references to authorities on that || like this. subject, it seems to me, is entirely improper. Mr. PATTERSON, of New Hampshire.

least, to the Senate and to my duties to this

bill by allowing amendments to be made withsMr. STEWART. Mr. President, the remarks Perhaps the covers are of a different color.

out an attempt to resist them. of the Senator from Indiana [Mr. Morton] Mr. STEWART. No; the contents are not But I do not rise in that spirit even now to induce me to suggest some reasons, which, if alike. he will reflect upon, I think he will agree to,

resist this, simply because the Senator from

Mr. PATTERSON, of New Hampshire. Illinois has offered it, or because it is an why this appropriation should pass. He says They are on the same subject, and the only || amendment to the appropriation bill ; for I do there is no more reason for buying this work question is as to which is the best on the same

not conceive it to be my duty to stand here than for buying the New Testament; and he subject. A majority of the committee have tries to show us that is out of our line alto. decided that this was the proper book for us to

with a bladgeon to strike at everything because gether. Now, I recollect that we passed a bill select and publish at the expense of the Gov.

it is proposed upon an appropriation bill. But,

sir, I doubt somewhat whether this proposition a year or two ago for the codification of the

ernment. It looks to me as though it was a fulfills any of the conditions that have been

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required in the purchasing of books, or mak- offer, to be referred to the Committee on the Senator now addresses my attention. I do ing publications of books for distribution. The Appropriations.

not think we had any information on that subSenator from Illinois puts it upon the only The PRESIDENT pro tempore. It will be lject. If the Attorney General had communiground which could address itself to the Sen- so referred.

cated to the Committee on Appropriations what ate; and that is that this work is useful for us Mr. TRUMBULL. I have another amend. he has communicated to the Judiciary Comin the discharge of our duties. I am aware ment to offer. Before doing so, I wish to state mittee I do not doubt that we should have that copies of books have sometimes been pur: that I received from the Attorney General ad entertained the proposition and considered it. chased by both branches for the use of indi. interim, a communication so late last evening Under these circumstances, whether I ought vidual members; but I believe not to this that I have not had time to give notice to the to enforce the rule as against the Senator I extent. Here it is proposed to purchase ten Committee on Appropriations of the amend hardly know. It is not a rule for my personal thousand copies, and that would imply a dis- ments which he asks to have made to this bill privilege. Any Senator can object who thinks tribution of the work. Certainly if it is to be in reference to the Attorney General's office; that the case requires objection. To show that limited to the uses of individual members, this and if the Senator from Maine, the chairman the committee did notact without proper informnumber is much too large. I hardly think it will of the Committee on Appropriations, considers ation on the subject, I hold in my hand a be found, on carefulexamination, that this book, it his duty to object to them, of course they communication from the Attorney General's although one of decided merit, commends it. cannot be considered. I will state what they are. office on this subject, in which may be found self so strongly that we can say that it is abso- The Senator from Maine, it will be observed, these words: lutely a matter of necessity to us, the members has taken pains in the other Departments of "The clerioal force allowed for the next fiscal year of the Senate and House of Representatives, the Government, particularly in the Treasury sufficient for the ordinary routine work of the Deto enable us properly to discharge the duties Department, to correct the bill which he says

partment, but would be insufficient should any calls

be made upon it similar to the calls for pardon reports of our offices. It does not strike me that even was framed upon the basis of the business by Congress during the present year.' that argument is particularly forcible.

in those Departinents before the war, by put- This is the information we had from that The ground upon which the other Senator ting in the number of clerks that yow exist

Department under date of March 16, 1868. from Illinois [ar. YATES) puts it, I hardly there, but in the Attorney General's office he Mr. TRUMBULL. But the Senator will see think is tenable. Certainly we have never here- has omitted to do that. The number of clerks that the bill does not allow the force that has tofore established any precedent of that sort, has been reduced, and the amount of money existed; it strikes out two clerks. that it is proper for the Congress of the United appropriated for the contingent expenses of

Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. This commu. States to purchase books published outside the Department, for wood, fuel, labor, &c., nication has special reference to this bill; it of Congress for popular distribution. That, I bas also been reduced. I have a communica


- the clerical force allowed." think, would be establishing a precedent not tion from the Attorney General ad interim, Mr. TRUMBULL. Not allowed by the bill, to be favored by Congress, and certainly I think stating that the othce cannot get along with the

but by law, I suppose, is what is meant. it would not be tolerated by the people. Then force which is allowed to it by the bill, and that

Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. No, sir, allowed I suggest to my honorable friend that, valuable there will be a necessity for employing special | by the bill as it passed the House; and it furas this book may be, it addresses itself not to counsel, and that the $5,000 for fuel and other

ther says in regard to the Attorney General's the popular heart, not to the popular judgment. expenses will be insufficient, and recommend

office : It furnishes a kind of information most useful ing that those appropriations be increased ;

"Thesum allowed for contingent expenses, namely, to certaiu classes, and not to the people at and I will offer those amendments unless the for fuel, labor, &c., $5,000, may suffice with the most large. It is most useful to professional men, Senator from Maine, having the bill in charge, rigid economy.” lawyers particularly, and statesmen in a gen: | objects for the want of notice. If he does, they That is wbat the committee ought to enforce, cral way. The idea of publishing such a book cannot be offered. One proposition would I submit. I think we are right, and therefore as that to meet a popular demand, as stated by be I will make it in form so that the Senator I feel obliged to invoke the rule on this amend. the Senator from Illinois, would not be pre- from Maine can understand it-to add two ment. cisely what I think the people would expect. clerks of class one; and another would be to The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The amendBut, sir, I am opposed entirely to the idea of increase the sum of $5,000 for fuel, labor, fur

ment cannot be received except by unanimous purchasing the books of any author for popular niture, stationery, and miscellaneous items to consent, without notice being given. distribution. I do not believe it is warranted $9,000. This is recommended by the Attorney Mr. CATTELL. I move to amend the bill by any precedent; nor can I understand how General. I will make that motion if the Sen

on page 44, line one thousand and eighty-one, it can be warranted in the nature of our Gov- ator does not raise the question of order. If as per memorandum that I send to the Clerk eroment on principle.

he does, the amendment cannot be offered. The Chief Clerk read the amendment, which The only other ground upon which we dis- The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The amend. was on page 44, line one thousand and eightytributed publications to the people in the shape ment will be received, if there be no objection. one, to strike out the word "six'' before of books is, that they are either official or oth- Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I desire to say " thousand,'' and after " thousand" to strike cially connected with us, or officially or polit- a word about that. All the clerks in that De. out the words "five hundred," and at the end ically connected with the transactions of the partment that were estimated for but two are of the clause to insert the following proviso: Government; such as exploring expeditious. in the bill.

Provided, That from and after the 1st day of July, We have published many books on the explor- Mr. TRUMBULL. Yes; and the Attorney, 1868, the annual compensation of the weighing clerk ations of the country; but those stand upon General says that those two which are omitted

shall be $2,500, and the compensation of the calculat

ing, accounting, and warrant clerks shall be $2,000 entirely different grounds. They are connected are necessary; and he also says that this $5,000

each. with the transactions of the Government, and appropriation is insufficient.

So that the clause will read : it may very well be supposed that the people Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. The comunittee

Mint at Philadelphia: take a deep interest in the transactions of the had but one rule, of course, about it.

For salaries of the Director, treasurer, assayer, Government; but it must be remembered that Dir. TRUMBULL. It seems that they melter and refiner, chief coiner and engraver, assistall those publications have been on a very dropped these clerks out, and have also re

ant assayer, and seven clerks, $39,000: Provided, That

from and after the 1st day of July, 1868, the annual limited scale. So, I repeat, to say all that 1 duced the estimate. I have no interest in it, I

compensation of the weighing clerk shall be $2,500, design to say, that I do not believe this prop- wish to say, at all. This letter was addressed and the compensation of the calculating, accountositiou fulfills any of the three conditions upon


ing, and warrant clerks shall be $2,000 each.

suppose, because I was chairman of which it is possible to conceive that under any the Committee on the Judiciary, stating these

Mr. TRUMBULL. I will take the opporcircumstances it is proper to publish books facts. Perhaps I had better have it read. tunity, while that amendment is under considfor distribution.

Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. Where does the eration, to say a word about the amendment The PRESIDENT

ENT pro tempore. The ques Senator find the sum for contingent expenses which I proposed and which the Senator from tion is on the amendment offered by the Sen- reduced?

Maine considered it his duty to object to. On ator from Illinois from the Committee on the Mr. TRUMBULL. The sum recommended, | looking at the paper which he read, I find it Judiciary.

as is stated in this cominunication from the purports to be a letter from the chief clerk, Mr. MORRILL, of Vermont. I ask for the Attorney General, was $9,000, and it is $5,000 || Mr. Pleasants, to the Attorney General. The on that amendment. in the bill.

which I referred is from Attorney taken, resulted-yeas 13, nays 21; as follows: committee did not reduce it. The Senate will look a little more carefully at the letter YEAS-Messrs. Cole, Frelinghuysen, Harlan, committee took it as it came from the House. which he himself had, that it refers to the Hendricks, Johnson, Nye, Stewart, Sumner,

Trumbull, Van Winkle, Wade, Willey, and Yates-13.

Mr. TRUMBULL. The Senate committee Assistant Attorney General for information
NAVS-Messrs. Bayard, Cattell, Conkling, Cragin,

took upon itself to correct the House bill in upon the subject; so that there is no contra-
Davis, Doolittle, Drake, Edmunds, Ferry, Fessenden, reference to the other Departments, but bas diction at all between the letter of the Attorney
Howard, Howe, McCreery, Morgan, Morrill of Maine,
Morrill of Vermont, Morton, Ross, Tipton, Vickers,

not done so in reference to this Department. General and any other letter tbat the Attorney and Williams--21.

Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. The Senate com- General has written, as there is but the one ABSENT-Mossrs. Anthony, Buckalew, Cameron,

mittee acted upon this principle: Where there | letter, and that is simply a letter from a clerk. Chandler, Conness, Corbett, Dixon, Fowler, Grimes.

was a discretion, and the House bad exercised I do not know that I properly discharge my llampshire, Patterson of Tennessee, Pomeroy, Ram- it, the Senate committee did not undertake to duty in the matter

without having the Attorney sey, Rice, Saulsbury, Sherman, Sprague, Thayer, exercise a discretion against the House com- General's letter read, because he goes at some So the amendment was rejected.

mittee, unless upon evidence furnished by the length in this communication into the facts to

Department which satisfied them that the House show the absolute necessity to the Government Mr. FESSENDEN. I ask leave to lay on had not exercised a sound discretion. Our

of increasing these appropriations. He states the table an amendment which I propose to l attention was not called to this item to which that he is there ad interim merely, and that a

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new officer will soon come in, and that it will of the Commissioner of Internal Revenue, who shall ll of the Comptrollers and Auditors of the Treasinvolve a very large expense to the Govern

act as deputy to the said Special Commissioner of the ury, in order that I may move to amend it ment in the employment of special counsel to

Revenuein respect to the said bureau, and exercise in
bis absence all powers belonging to him as such

hereafter. carry on its business unless some appropria superintendent, except the franking privilege: and

The PRESIDING OFFICER. That amend. tion is made. I wish the Senate, and the Sen

the office of director of the Bureau of Statistics is ment will be excepted. If no other amendator from Maine, who objects to my amendhereby abolished.

ment be excepted the question is on concurring ments being considered, to understand the

I will make a brief explanation, at the sug. in the other amendments made as in Commit: facts in case we should hereafter have any

gestion of the chairman of the Committee on tee of the Whole. controversy about it.

Appropriations. This amendment proposes The amendinents were concurred in. Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I will state to abolish the office of the Bureau of Statistics

The PRESIDING OFFICER. The ques. another fact for the information of the Senaand to transfer the duties of that bureau to the

tion now is on concurring in the excepted tor from Mlinois. I understand that letter to Special Commissioner of Revenue, and it pro

amendment. be from the chief clerk, but the chief clerk vides that the Secretary of the Treasury may Dir. WILSON. I should like to have that

Ire in the represents the office, and that communication designate one clerk with the salary of a head

bare often

amendment read. was sent to us by the Attorney General him. of a division to act as chief clerk of this bureau,

The Chief Clerk read the amendment, which self, and I have the letter in my hand, in which under the direction of the Special Commishe communicates that letter as stating the needs sioner of the Revenue. Some time ago this sub

was to insert as an additional section the fol. of his office. ject was referred to the Committee on Retrench

lowing: The PRESIDENT proteinpore. The amend. ment and examined by that committee, and

Sec. --, And be it further enacted, That from and

after the 30th day of June, 1868, the annual salaries ment of the Senator from Illinois being ob. || they instructed me as a member of the com- of the Comptrollers of the Treasury and the Commisjected to, the question is on the amer nt of mittee to report this measure as a bill to the sioner of Customs shall be $1,500 each; of the Solithe Senator from New Jersey, [Mr. CATTELL.] Senate. Afterward it was referred to the Com

citor, the Auditors, the Register, and the supervising

architect of the Treasury, $1.000 cach, and the addiMr. MORRILL, of Maine." I should like mittee on Finance, and I am also instructed tional amount necessary to pay the increase of salto have it explained, so that we may know pre- || by that committee to report it as an amend- aries provided for by this section be, and the same is cisely what it means. ment to the appropriation bill, and recommend

hereby, appropriated. Mr. CATTELL. The amendment which I that it be passed. According to the judgment

Mr. STEWART. I now move to amend that offer is an advance in the salary of some of the l of both of those committees it will save expense amendment by inserting after the word " Treasclerks holding responsible positions in the Mint to the Government and tend to facilitatate the ury," in the sixth line, the words "and the at Philadelphia. The salaries of these clerks transaction of that business in a more satis- Commissioner of the General Land Office." have not been advanced since the year 1854. factory manner to the country.

Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. How much does They are there on precisely the same salaries

The amendment was agreed to.

that give him? that they were at that time, while in almost all Mr. STEWART. I wish to offer an amend- Mr. STEWART. Four thousand dollars. the governmental departments, as is well ment in addition to the amendment offered by

Mr. HARLAN. The salary of the Com. known, the salaries have been increased. The the Senator from Ohio [Mr. SHERMAN) yester

missioner of the General Land Office is now salaries of these clerks now are $1,500 per day, and which was adopted. I move to in. $3,000, and if the amendment proposed by the annum, and they are obliged to give bond and sert after the word “ Treasury,” in the sixth

Senator from Nevada should be adopted it will hold very responsible positions, the weigh clerk line of that amendment, the words " and the put it on the same basis with the salaries of the having sometimes from five to eight million Commissioner of the General Land Office." Auditors of the Treasury. They are now, as dollars of bullion in his charge, and passing Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. That is not now

I understand, $3,000 each. Formerly the through his hands in a single year $69,000,000 in order, I take it.

was a part of of bullion. The compensation paid to these gentlemen, who are under bond and who have that was spoken of last night.

Department, and when the salary of the Auditsuch responsible positions, is less than that of The PRESIDING OFFICER, (Mr. Fre- ors was fixed the salary of the Commissioner a third-class clerk in any of the Departments LINGHUYSEN in the chair.) The ainendment of the General Land Office was fixed, many in Washington. The advance in these sala- is not in order at present. It will be in order years ago; I suppose more than half a century ries is recommended by the assistant treas- after the bill shall have been reported to the

since. If it is proper to increase the salary of urer of the Mint at Philadelphia, Mr. McKib. Senate,

the Auditors on account of the increased busi. bin, indorsed by the Director of the Mint, Mr. Mr. HARLAN. I desire to know on what ness and the change in the value of money, it Linderman, in a letter which I hold in my hand, ground the proposition is ruled out.

I had a

certainly is equally properto increase the salary and warmly indorsed by the Secretary of the similar ameudment to offer.

of the Commissioner of the General Land Treasury himself, Mr. McCulloch. These Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. You can move

Office. letters may be read, if any Senator desires to it in the Senate. That amendment has been Mr. THAYER. I desire to add that if the hear them. acted upon in committee.

salary of any officer is to be increased the Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. Are you in- Mr, HARLAN. It is an amendment to an salary of the Commissioner of the General strncted to move the amendment by a com- amendment, which amendinent has been acted Land Office ought to be. In my judgment mittee? on heretofore.

there is no department of this Government Mr. CATTELL. No, sir. My attention was Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. The amend. || managed with greater efficiency and greater called to this subject too late to have it included ment of the Senator from Ohio having been 1 thoroughness, and none in which the business in the Finance Committee's report. It was adopted in committee, it can only be amended is discharged more satisfactorily than the Land spoken of in the Committee on Finance, and in the Senate.

Otlice, I think the Commissioner is one of met with no objection there, but was too late The PRESIDING OFFICER. The amend- the most thorough, efficient, and accomplished to be included in their report. The chairman ment offered by the Senator from Nevada will officers under the Government. of the Committee on Appropriations will re- be in order when the bill comes into the Senate. Mr. RAMSEY. I say ditto to all that the member that I called his attention to the sub- Mr. RAMSEY. I should like to inquire of Senator from Nebraska has said ; but in aldiject. I gave him the notification required. the chairman of the Committee on Appropria- tion to that, I think at the same time when the Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. Yes; that was tions whether I am in order now in moving to

salaries of the Auditors and Comptrollers of all right.

increase the salary of the Assistant Postmasters the Treasury are raised the salaries of the three Mr. CATTELL I exhibited the papers to General from $3,500 to $4,500, making it equal Assistant Postmasters General ought also to be him, and we talked the subject over, and my to that of the Comptrollers of the Treasury? It raised. They are gentlemen of high characbelief at that time was that I had made an im- would cone in properly on page 41, line nine ter, and their duties are laborious and con: pression on his generosity. hundred and eighty-four.

stantly increasing. No other Department of Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. Decidedly, as a Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. That can be the Government is so steadily growing as the matter of generosity, I have no doubt you es- offered in the Senate perhaps. Let the bill be Post Olice Department. Then, again, it is a tablished the case; but if you have not the reported to the Senate.

Department that brings into the Treasury all recommendation of a committee, I submit Mr. RAMSEY. Very well.

that it costs to the Government, and therefore whether you are not out of order. You can The bill was reported to the Senate ns there is no impropriety whatever in giving to move it at some other stage, having obtained amended.

these officers the same compensation that is their consent. I hope the Senator will allow Mr. RAMSEY. Now I move to amend the granted to officers of similar grade in other it to pass over now.

bill on page 41, line nine hundred and eighty- Departinents. Mr. CATTELL. Very well.

four, by striking out "three”, and inserting Mr. THAYER. I agree with the Senator, Mr. WILLIAMS. If that matter is dropped " four,' and in the same line striking out and will cheerfully vote for that proposition. for the present, I offer the following amend. before thousand" and insertiog“ fourteen ;' Mr. CONNESS. The question of adding to ment, to come in at the end of line five hundred

so that it will read, “Three Assistant Post- the salaries of the Assistant Postmasters Genand fifty-five, on page 23 :

masters General at $4,500 each, $14,500." eral is not now before the Senate. When that But the Special Commissioner of the Revenue shall, The PRESIDING OFFICER. The first

comes before the Senate of course we shall under the direction of the Secretary of the Treasury,

question will be on concurring in the amend- consider it. I do not understand the propriety act as superintendent of the division in the office of said Secretary created by the thirteenth section of ments made as in Committee of the Whole.

of an argument on that which may convince the act approved July 27, 1868, entitled "An act to Shall they be taken in gross or separately? the Senate that they ought not to vote for the protect the revenue, and for other purposes,

and Mr. HÂRLAN. I desire to have a separate called the Bureau of Statistics; and the Secretary

amendment now proposed. I wish each to vote on the amendment of the Committee on of the Treasury inay appoint one division clerk, at

stand upon its own merits. the same salary as a head of division, in the ollice Finance relating to the increase of the salaries

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now gone out of date. Gentlemen do not like day of his life in performing his public duties, Mr. SPRAGUE. That is right.

that. Very well; then the other thing to be The business of that office has so increased Mr. FESSENDEN. All of them, I believe, done was to reorganize all of these Depart. that it is impossible to perform it in the hours at $3,500. I think that was it. There was a ments, and put them on a proper basis and fix ordinarily allotted to business. I happen to compromise by which they were fixed at $3,500. the salaries accordingly. That has this diffi. live in the vicinity of that gentleman, and I Now, if you raise the salaries of the Comp- culty about it: that when you have once fixed bave often tried to communicate with him from trollers in the Treasury Department to $4,500 | them, if we should return to specie payments, my house in the morning shortly after eight and of the Auditors to $4,000, why not put the and they should be found too high, it will be o'clock; but I have never yet been able to do | Assistant Secretaries in the Treasury Depart. 1 pretty difficult to reduce them; and that was 80; he had gone to the office, and was engaged ment at $4,500 also ? They are certainly of a the reason why the other system was adopted in his arduous duties. He remains there until higher rank. But if you do that, the other as a temporary expedient. a late hour in the evening, and then carries to Assistant Secretaries in the other Departments Now, I wish to warn gentlemen that they have his house work belonging to his public duties, will say, “Why not putour salaries at $4,500 ?") got to carry this thing through if they begin it which he performs in the hours of the night. Then, perhaps, it will be as well to fix them at in this way. I voted for the motion of the Whatever indisposition there may be--and I now $4,000 and submit to the apparent anomaly of honorable Senator from Ohio. Why? I voted address myself to my friend from Massachu- having the two Comptrollers, who are very for it because the Comptrollers and Auditors setts, [Mr. Wilson, ] with whom I generally || important officers, to be sure, at $4,500. But | ought to have more pay. They have been agree, and do agree upon the main proposition you see you have got to go through. Then receiving more pay in the Treasury Depart. that he has in view, that is, against the increase come the Assistant Postmasters General, who ment, because up to this year the Secretary of of salaries--whatever indisposition there may are very valuable officers. One of them told the Treasury had a fund in his hands by which be, it is a matter of the slightest possible jus- me some time ago, when the other matter was he was enabled to increase their pay; and I tice to concede this increase to the officer in under discussion, that so long as others were know that was the only thing that enabled Mr. question. I hope that there will be no oppo- left at $3,000 they were content to have theirs Taylor, who is spoken of, to stay. He said he sition to it. If there be an increase due or left at $3,000, although it was rather hard to would leave the Department once or twice rightfully belonging to any officer in this Gov. get along on it; but if you meant to raise the because of the inadequacy of his salary, and his ernment, it ought to be conceded to the Com- others in the other Departments they would not inability to support his family on the amount missioner of the General Land Oflice.

be content unless you raised theirs also. I sup- that he received ; and I agree perfectly with other officer shall succeed the present gentle- pose they have $3,500 now, and the same rule what has been said by gentlemen, that unless man he cannot in any way perform the public would apply to them.

we are very lucky we shall lose a great deal of daties without giving an equal amount of his Then again, look at it still further. After money when he goes out of that particular time to their performance.

I speak of what I you have done this with reference to these bureau. But this increase being begun with know when I speak on this subject.

heads of bureaus and Assistant Secretaries, these gentlemen, you have got, in common jus. Mr. FESSENDEN. Mr. President, I have come in their order all the clerks in the Depart- tice, to carry it through. You must increase no doubt that the Commissioner of the Gen- ments clear down to the lowest, and the meg. the salaries of your Assistant Secretaries aceral Land Office is a very valuable officer and sengers, and especially those in the lower grades. cordingly, and you must increase the salaries has a very important office; and I have no They turn around and say to you, " Is this just? of the inen who hold the same relative posidoubt either that his salary ought to be in- Here you have taken the men who have the tions, and whom it costs just as much to live, creased.

highest salaries;" for that is all they look at; in the other Departments as you do in the Mr. CONNESS. Then the Senator will they do not look at the comparative nature Treasury Department. It is no more than vote for it.

of the services or the positions; and I think right. Perhaps they should not all receive Mr. FESSENDEN. Perhaps so; perhaps really it is getting to be pretty strongly argued exactly the same; but an increase should be not. The Senator will hear what more I have by members of Congress; I think I have heard made relatively. to say on this subject. There are also other it intimated in this Chamber that it was very Therefore I cannot, in common justice, oficers in the several Departments whose sal- unjust that you should give a Secretary, the after this vote has been passed with reference aries ought to be increased if you increase head of a Department, $8,000, and not give a to the Comptrollers and Auditors--they hold these.

clerk $8,000, just as much. Why? Because very important offices, to be sure, and are Although I was decidedly of opinion that the he works just as many hours and as hard. very valuable officers-refuse to vote for the amendment offered by the honorable Senator That is getting to be the idea, the leveling proposition of the Senator from Nevada, and I from Ohio with regard to the Comptrollers and principle that every man in our Government shall make a similar proposition myself, if Auditors in the Treasury Department ought to should stand on exactly the same basis. But nobody else does. I should not have made it be adopted, yet I saw at the time it was offered whether that would be the case or not, if you if this proposition had not come from the that it would lead to motions to put on a great raise these heads of bureaus and Assistant Committee on Finance, to increase the salary many other officers whose salaries ought also to Secretaries, which ought to be done, from of the Assistant Secretaries of the Treasury be increased. There is no doubt that those sal- $3,000 or $3,500, as the case may be, up to Department. If nobody else makes that moaries are too low. But I wish to call the atten- $4,000 and $1,500, what will you do witli the tion I shall make it, because I think it no tion of Senators to the question whether this argument that here are numerous clerks in the more than justice. If we increase the salary mode of doing a thing by halves or by, quar: Departments serving for $1,200, who have tam- of the Commissioner of the General Land ters or by tenth parts is a wise one. If the ilies to support, and cannot live on it; and so Office, we ought to increase at the same time Committee on Finance thought that this mat. all the way up and down. All these things you the salary of the Commissioner of Pensions ter in the Treasury Department ought to be have got to meet when you once begin with and of the Assistant Secretary in the Departrearranged, I think they should have reported any particular officers to raise their salaries, ment of the Interior. They are just as valutheir bill, or else let the whole subject alone. however necessary it may be.

able and laborious officers as he is, and you A great deal has been said about the twenty Therefore, looking at that matter, I came to cannot make that improper distinction between per cent. extra compensation. Now you see the conclusion some time ago that you must do them. Therefore, sir, having begun it, let us what is coming. The honorable Senator from one of two things in order to avoid the diffi- carry it through. Nevada very justly moves to amend by insert- culties arising from these hard times; you must

Mr. STEWART. I do not think it is econing the Commissioner of the General Land either in all the Departments put a fund into omy to starve men holding these very importOfice

. Why not on the same principle insert the bands of the head of the Department to ant offices, or pay them less than will secure also the Commissioner of Pensions. He works | apply it, according to his best discretion, to good services. Now, as to the Commissioner as hard, as long, and has as important an the clerks who deserve it, who ought to have of the General Land Office, whether we have office.

more, and who could not live on their salaries, the present incumbent or another we never Mr. CONNESS. I think it ought to be

in order to retain the services of those men, should have a man there that could not earn done.

and trust to that for a few years to tide over at least $4,000 a year. It is really one of the Mr. FESSENDEN. Very well. Why not, this time of paper money until things get back most important bureaus in the whole Governthen, raise the officer who is over them all and to somewhere near their original position, or ment, and it affects the interests of the people who works as much as any of them, the As- else you must go to work at once and reform at large quite as materially as any other. The sistant Secretary of the Interior, who is a val- and reorganize the several Departments and Commissioner must be a good land lawyer, and uable, accomplished, and very laborious officer. put them on a proper basis. We tried the first in our system, as we are extending it over the His office is of higher grade than those of the plan in the Treasury Department, and it gave mining regions, it involves the necessity for heads of bureaus; and why should he be left at so much dissatisfaction and created so much continued investigation of that pew subject of $3,000 when you raise the salaries of the heads talk and so much denunciation of one kind | law, and requires a man who is not only a of bureans to $4,000? My opinion always bas and another that it became very unpopular, ll good lawyer, but is willing to work constantly; been that the Assistant Secretaries should cer- although in the Treasury Department I know and $1,000 is the least possible figure that tainly have one half of what is paid to the Sec- that the fund was applied on the principles on ought to be offered to a competent person.

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The present incumbent is competent. When sible to get a man fit for the place to take that this sort is wise to correct the evil, if it be true he shall go out you certainly cannot get a office at the present pay or not; but it has been that some of these men are inadequately paid. competent person to take the oflice at $3,000 vacant for some time.

The Assistant Postmasters General, for exwith its additional labors. The labors are now Perhaps I might make the same remarks with ample, stands here now in a predicament ia more complicated and much increased over great propriety in relation to the Commissioner | which no addition can be made for them withwhat they were formerly. That office being a of Indian Affairs.

out violating the rules of the Senate, because striking example of this insufficiency of pay, Mr. TIPTON. I have said not one word no notice of such an amendment has been and knowing something about the duties of || during the progress of these investigations; || given; and the same thing is true with regard the office, I have offered this amendment. but if it is a fact, as the Senator from Towa to a number of officers of similar grade. There

I concur with the Senator from Maine that has just asserted, that gentlemen receiving fore, to justify this amendment entirely, I subother officers who are equally meritorious, if | such' salaries as are received by the commis- mit that we must find in it ar enumeration of there are such, and I presume there are sev. sioners are retiring on account of the inade. those persons in whose case especially this


, to ] eral of them, ought to be relieved. I think quacy of the support, I wish to suggest that it hardship exists. Is that true, Mr. President, it should be done in every case where it is is also a fact known to every Senator here that of this amendment? The way to determine its manifestly just; but we ought not to put this there are thousands of men in all these Depart. | truth is to take particular officers, and not to off on that account. They can be put on some ments who are absolutely suffering for want of considerall these persons together. I will take other bill, and let this bill go through with this adequate pay, men who have just as heavy fam- now the case of the Register of the Treasury, amendment.

ily expenses, who have just as heavy expenses and I refer only to what the public prints have Mr, FESSENDEN. There is just as much relative to the education of their children, as said, and therefore not to what is known in justice in putting them on here as there is for those gentlemen receiving larger pay, and who executive session, when I state that recently putting on this case.

are undoubtedly in many cases induced to the incumbent of this office evinced a very great Mr. STEWART. There may be.

resign on account of the inadequacy of their disposition to obtain it and hold it. It was a The head Mr. HARLAN. I do not wish to be mis | support. I trust, therefore, that if we con- marked instance of activity and enterprise in apprehended here. I advocate the Senator's tinue to increase the salaries of those who have the acquisition of oflice. Indeed, I believe I amendment; but I gave notice last evening now the higher grade of pay, it will be with shall not trench upon executive secrets if I say that I would move to-day to amend the bill so the distinct understanding that we shall not that the departmental bistory of the Govern. as to put the Commissioner of Pensions and the slaeken our hands until we have done ample ment furnishes but few exainples of such agilCommissioner of Indian Affairs on the same and adequate justice to all the employés of the ity, of such dexterity, in obtaining office and a basis. There is, as the Senator from Maine Government. And if I was satisfied that such commission to office as were exhibited in this has justly observed, the same reason for it. was the determination of the Senate, and that case, because the public knows that after the

Mr. FESSENDEN. Why not include the an increase could in some proper and legiti- newspapers of the city recorded a motion to
Assistant Secretary also ?

mate and safe manner be made to the pay of reconsider bis confirmatiou a cominission wils Mr. HARLAN. I have an amendment to the clerks throughout the Departments gen- obtained and carried through its various stages increase his salary to the same as is here erally, I would most heartily incorse all these and lodged in the hands of the person of whom allowed to the Comptrollers, $4,500. Mr. propositions which seem to be fragmentary and I am speaking, and he took an oath to enter President, the salary of the Commissioner of very unsatisfactory in the mode of accomplish- upon the discharge of the duties of the ofice, Pensions (although that is not now strictly in ing the general result.

so as, if possible, to close the door against order) was fixed, I suppose, at the same time In regard to the case of the Commissioner

any challenge of his right to hold the office. that the salary of the Comptrollers was fixed, of the General Land Office, I desire to say, This occurred, I think, about two months when the disbursements from that bureau and it was especially for the purpose of making ago. The Senator from Vermont (Mr. En. amounted to but a few thousand dollars a year. a remark on that point that I rose, that having MUNDS] perhaps will remember more accurately They wow amount to more than thirty millions | known him for seventeen years very intimately, than I do when it was. I think it wils not annually. The office has increased from a having served with him for three years in the more than two months ago; and now, after the dozeu or so of clerks to three or four hundred Land Oflice many years ago, I should not be lapse of that brief interval, at the commence. clerks. If there is any propriety in increas. doing iny duty toward him, I should be stifling ment of which this gentleman was so ready ingile pay of any of these officers there is a all the better feelings of my nature, if I did not and so eager to obtain this otficp, at a compenpropriety in increasing the pay of the Commis- aver in the presence of these gentlemen who sation then fixed by law, we propose to add sioner of Pensions; and I intend to make that have so much knowledge on the subject of the $1,000 to him Upon what principle? Will motion, if this amendinent should carry, and efficiency of officers that I believe there is no any Senator say that there is danger of his I think it ought to carry, if the amendment of more efficient officer in connection with the resigning because hy turning to the quiet paths the committee is to prevail.

Governinent in the city of Washington than of private life he can make more money in The Senator from Maine said he was not in the Commissioner of the General Land Oflice. some other way? Will any Senator, without favor of doing things by piece meal. That is & more laborious man I have never known; | disparaging him, tell the Senate that $3,000 & the reason, I suppose, that the Senator from and undoubtedly it has been his pride not only 1 year is not a compensation full and ample for Nevada has offered his amendment. It will to discharge the daily duties devolved upon his services, no matter in what direction they be my reason for offering the amendment that || him, but to make himself a first-rate lawyer; are devoted? Why, then, should he be put I

propose to offer. If the pay of the heads of and as a land lawyer I apprehend that he has higher, why should he be singled out and placed bureaus in any one of the Departments is to be nothing to ask of any gentleman connected upon a roll on which the Cominissioner of the increased because the present salary is insuffi- with the Government, or perhaps connected Land Office, the First, Second, and Third cient, then the pay of the heads of bureaus in with Congress, in any respect. As to his will Assistant Postmasters General, and others other Departments, where the labor is equally | ingness to work it exceeds almost his ability, whom I might mention do not appear, and to great, and where the salary is insufficient, ought || if that were possible. Certainly if there is an be decorated to be increased. I am of the opinion personally | officer who deserves any advance in his pay

it Mr. WILSON. He must have a great deal that this is the better way to add the twenty must be the Commissioner of the General Land of work to do, it appears, because he appoints per cent., to give to those whose labors justify | Office; and I say nothing disparagingly of any a great many clerks. the increase. I have no doubt that the pay of || other of the gentlemen occupying avalogous Mr. CONKLING. I know a statement has some of the clerks ought to be increased; but | positions, for my acquaintance with them, and been read here that this gentleman found cast I do not believe that it ought to be increased in the intricacy of the duties which they perform, upon him among the first of his duties the that mode, by adding a per cent. to the whole. is not so great, or perhaps I should say the necessity of appointing, I believe, thirteen men As I have observed in the Senate heretofore, I same in regard them.

and one hundred and seventeen women as believe that that pay should be given which will I therefore desire to see the amendment pre- clerks at an expense, as I understood the Sena: command the services required. The same

vail, and I trust we will resolve when we are tor from New Hampshire to state, amounting rule should be established in regard to the per- || dealing with this subject by piece meal that we to $109,000 a year, and that sum to be paid formance of labor for the Government that is will also do it in detail, and do justice before out of the money appropriated to defray the established in employing people to do labor for we adjourn to all the employés of the Govern

expenses of loans. I do not know but that private individuals. A sufficient salary should ment.

just as it stands is satisfactory to persons be given to command the services demanded. Mr. WILSON. I ask for the yeas and nays who know more about it than ido; but perWhile I am on my feet, I may remark in on this question.

8008 outside of this Chamber who think they relation to the Commissioner of Pensions, as The yeas and nays were ordered.

know a great deal about it, and who have spent it will save me the trouble of rising again, that Mr. CONKLING. Before voting on this time investigating it, are greatly dissatisfied, there is a case where the Commissioner did proposition, I wish to submit an observation. without being I think partisans in the matter. resign and left the office on account of the in- The proposition is to pay a number of officers Now, Mr. President, this amendment involves sufficiency of his pay, and an abler officer and here described $4,000 a year in lieu of $3,000,

one ingredient to which I wish to call attention. a purer man perhaps has never served the Gov. which they now receive. Their compensation The other day in Committee of the Whole the ernment. He resigned and left the office and as it is is as large as that paid in many States Senate imported into this bill the provision returned to private life, where he can make to the judges of the highest courts in those which had expired giving a large more money by the performance of less labor. States, and my inclination is to believe, if that

to the Secretary of the Treasury with which 10 There is at this time no Commissioner of Pen- were the question which I wished to discuss, sions in existence. The chief clerk at present that the compensation is not now inadequate.

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