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tion of Montgomeryshire, transcribed from a copy made by his contemporary and friend, the celebrated Thomas Jones, of Tregarron, and now belonging to Mr. Corbet, of Ynysymaengwyn.

You ask me, sir, to state my views in collecting this description of information. I beg to assure you, sir, I have no selfish views on this subject, and such information as I obtain, I freely communicate to all inquirers. Should I be enabled eventually to arrange and continue my collections satisfactorily, I might make them more public. I have now the materials for the formation of authentic memorials of the descent of the families of several counties of the Principality, and, as I can, I collect documents for the further continuing them to the present period. It was with this view I was anxious to obtain the loan of Mr. Williams's Taicroesion ms. If he is so kind as to intend obliging me with it, I have not yet received any intimation to that effect; and, sir, if it would not be trespassing too much on your kindness, it would add greatly to the obligations you have already conferred upon me, if you could in any way, that would not be inconvenient to yourself, assist me in obtaining from Mr. Williams that favour. I have a promise of a ms. that will enable me to continue the line of many of the principal South Wales families.

The Hopton family, as to which you made inquiry was, at a period now very remote, one of the most distinguished in Shropshire; and was soon after, if not before the Norman conquest, seated at Hopton Castle, near Ludlow.

Walter de Hopton was of Hopton Castle, and Sheriff of Shropshire in 1268; and, in 1275, he was a Baron of the Exchequer.

Thomas Hopton, of Hopton Castle, Sheriff of Shropshire in 1430, was the lineal heir male of the said Walter Hopton.

Walter Hopton, of Hopton Castle, fought under the York interest at Ludford, on the 23d of September, 1459, against King Henry, for which, however, he escaped on payment of a fine.

Soon after this period, Elizabeth Hopton, the heiress of this principal branch of the family, carried their great estates to her husband, Sir Roger Corbet, of Moreton Corbet, knight.

The male line of the family was, however, continued in a younger branch. Thomas Hopton had married Anne, the sole heiress of Jeffrey Rockhill, of Rockhill, in the parish of Burford, and their junior branch became the head of the family.

Edward Hopton, of Rockhill, (descended from the above Thomas), at the dissolution of the monasteries, (temp. Hen. VIII.) purchased Chirbury Priory, which also became a possession of the family.


John Hopton, son of the said Edward, was of Rockhill and Chirbury Priory, and was sheriff of Shropshire in 1575.

William Hopton, son of John, married Dorothy, daughter of John Morgan, esq. He was of Rockhill and Chirbury Priory, and was sheriff of Shropshire in 1591. His eldest son, Edward, having married in a manner which he did not approve, (the daughter of John Pearch, gent., merchant of the staple,) he disinherited him; and, by deed, dated Nov. 28, 1599, settled all his estates upon his second son Richard, who was afterwards knighted, and seated at Canon Frome, county of Hereford. Edward, the elder brother, had an only son, Morgan Hopton, rector of St. Andrew's Holborn, whose son Edward, was of Gray's Inn, in 1661. From Sir Richard, the younger brother, I presume your friend Mr. Hopton, now of Canon Frome, is lineally descended.

I am, Sir, with great respect,
Your much obliged, and most obedient servant,

JOSEPH MORRIS. Mr. Lloyd's History of Wales will very soon be completed.

To Edward Evans, esq., Eyton Hall, near Leominster.

Mr. Madocks, to whom the books of pedigrees belong, is the highly respectable possessor of Fron-yw and Glanywern, in the county of Denbigh. Now, it is quite true, that I had but a very cursory inspection of these volumes, not exceeding half an hour, the greater part of which was occupied in copying out the first pedigree, in the presence of Windsor Herald, who attested the correctness of the copy, it being Gwehyleth Rolant Meurik Doctor o'r ddwy gyvraith, arglwydd o Barliament ag un o'r kynghoriaith o'r Marches. The first volume is entitled, “ Llyvr Lewis Dwnn prydydd o Sir Trevaldwyn o'r Betws ynghydhewain ar beryw yr hwnn yssyd Ddebyt Herawt at arms tros tair talaith Kymru mewn Marchys of Wals dann batent a selas Clarencieulx a Norey das vrenhinioedd yr arvan dann yssel farur dros South Work & North Work Gwynedd a Deheubarth. Duw a gadwo gras Brenhines Elsbeth yn jach, Amen floed : hwn 1580."

From a ms. of the celebrated antiquary, Edward Llwyd, entitled the British Genealogist, and compiled in the year 1693, a copy of which I possess, I am enabled to give the former and corresponding part of the pedigree of Lewis Ďwnn.

Cadwgan Vawr=

Grufydd ab Cadwgan

Cadwgan ab Grufydd=

Grufydd Gethin alias Donne, married Anne daughter to Cadwgan ab levan ab Philip of Rhydodin, argent, a lion rampant, sable, head, paws, and the bush of his tail of the field. Henry Donne, esq. married Janett, daughter of levan Llwyd Ychan, of Pwlldyvach, esq. Gules, on a bend, argent, inter three trefoyls, slipt, or, a lion passant, sable. Meredydd Donne, esq. married Mallt, daughter to Griffith ab Cadwgan Ychan. Azure, a wolfe salt. argent; but as George Owen, az, a chevron, int. three cocks argent.

Griffith Donne, esq. married Jonet, daughter to Sir John Skidmore, of Kenchurch, Herefordshire. Gules, three stirrups, or, with leathers of the same.

Sir John Donne, knt, married

daughter to Lord Hastings Argent, a mattuch, sable.

Robert Donne, and his de

scendants, continued at Cydwely.

Sir Edward Donne, knt. married daughter to Verney.

Az. on a cross argent, five mullets, gules.

Elizabeth, daughter and heir, married Sir Thomas Johnes, of Abemarles, knight. Argent, a chevron, sable, int. three ravens, proper; border engrailed, gules, besante.

Since the date of the letter to Edward Evans, esq. Mr. Morris has written me word that “ he has been obliged with the loan of Mr. Madocks's third volume, and in this has found a memorandum in the writing of George Owen, esq. of Kemes, which clearly shows this third volume to have been wholly written by him, and the pedigrees it contains chiefly relating to the districts of South Wales, known by the names of Gwent and Morganwg, are evidently compiled (being here severally arranged under the names of certain common ancestors) from the collections made previous to the year 1600, by Lewis Dwnn, and my former con

jecture that George Owen, esq. then York herald, had a personal control over Lewis Dwnn; perhaps was a chief party in employing him to collect descents throughout the Principality—is thus greatly strengthened. And a question here arises; what has become of the original visitations of the counties of Montgomery, Flint, Denbigh, Brecon, Glamorgan, Radnor, and Monmouth, as taken by Lewis Dwnn, and where are they now deposited, if still in existence? for that these counties were officially visited by him, there is abundant proof in various memorandummade by him personally as references on pedigrees, in the mss. of Mr. Madocks, and as also appears by Mr. Evans's attested copy of the Gloddaith ms. Indeed, I have a copy of nearly the whole of his visitation of Montgomeryshire, and of portions of his visitations of all the counties I have enumerated, but the mss. from which I have extracted these portions give no clue to the place or places where the original and complete visitations are at present to be found. Mr. Williams, of Beaumaris, was (on the recommendation of Mr. Evans) so kind as to favour me with the loan of the Taicroesion ms, which contains much that is of great value, and I am now engaged in examining and transcribing the Llangedwin copy of the extensive and valuable Salusbury collection of pedigrees, with the loan of which Sir Watkin Williams Wynn most handsomely favored me, through the kind interfe. rence of his brother, the Right. Hon. C. W. Williams Wynn, M. P. for Montgomeryshire. I find in this ms. the name of Lewis Dwnn occasionally referred to on pedigrees copied by Mr. J. Salusbury, from a ms. of Mr. H. Rogers, a Montgomeryshire gentleman; but it is quite clear that neither of the Messrs. Salusbury, nor Mr. Rogers, ever saw more than a few detached pedigrees taken by Lewis Dwnn, copies of which the deputy herald doubtless made for the families in whose keeping Mr. Rogers (who has in one place a reference to Llyfr côch Powys, by Lewis Dwnn) in all probability found them.

The same may be said with regard to Mr. John Ellis, the original compiler of the Taicroesion ms. for, though he, like the Messrs. Salusbury, appears to have been most careful and laborious in collecting his materials, yet the invaluable collections of Lewis Dwnn have evidently not fallen within his reach, excepting only an occasional pedigree, transcribed as I have before conjectured, by Lewis Dwnn, for the head of the family, in the custody of whose descendants such detached copies have been found.

The connexion of Lewis Dwnn with the family of Francis Thynne, the herald, arose from the intermarriages of their relatives on each side, with the family of Heynes, or Haynes, (in Welsh Einws) who at that period had estates at Bansley, &c. on the confines of Shropshire and Montgomeryshire.'

It did not show a very extensive acquaintance with the works of the Welsh genealogists, in Theophilus Jones to assert, that none of them had recorded the descent of the family of Stedman, of Strata-florida. I printed it two and twenty years ago in my History of Cardiganshire, from the before-mentioned ms. of Edward Llwyd. I will add to these observations, that the Harleian ms. marked 5058, in the British Museum, contains pedigrees copied in the year 1615, from the collections of Lewis Dwnn.

Any of your readers would much oblige me, if they could point out where the patent under seal, which Lewis Dunn declares he received from Clarencieux and Norroy kings at arms, might be found, as the College of Arms refuse to consider his visitations as authority, without its production. Robert Cooke was the Clarencieux, and William Flower the Norroy, who granted it.

I have the honor to remain,

Most respectfully yours,

Samuel R. MeYRICK. Goodrich Court; April 18, 1832.

To the Editors. GENTLEMEN, The highly respectful manner in which your correspondent Mr. E. Williams, of Radnorshire, is pleased to speak of me, demands my humble obeisance; while I trust to his due sense of good breeding not to attribute the language I may use in reviewing his arguments to any disrespect towards him.

It appears to me, that he so far coincides in my position in tacitly acknowledging that we have no earlier authority for the mottó Ich diene than the will of the Black Prince; the peculiar policy, therefore, of conciliating the Welsh (which certainly did exist on the birth of Edward II., from the fact of his mother being expressly sent to Caernarvon castle,) has nothing to support it. I do not, then, see the “strong probability to warrant the presumption that the armorial device of a prince of Wales should be Welsh,” any more than that the motto of the king of Holland, Je maintiendrai, should be Dutch, or that of the king of England, Dieu et mon droit, should be English. But if, as a Welshman," Mr. Williams “can never be persuaded that these monosyllables were of German origin,” or any other than Welsh, it would be fruitless to make the attempt, did I not write for the rest of your readers as well as him. Now the words as they stand are plain German, and if they are to be supposed Welsh they should also be taken as they stand, and not tortured into Eich dyn, l' wch dien, ich dien, or Di-hen. Mr. Williams seems to be aware of

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