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recommend, he would perlift in supporting the original clause.
The Duke of Montrose lamented that either the preceding or the present Governinent fhould have, either dire@ly or by connivance, fanctioned the practice of allowing men with arms in their lands to assume a deliberative capacity. He thought it the duty of Parliament to cruth, by their formal and open declaration, the possibility of it for the future. As the claufe inrended io be proposed by the noble Baron would molt fully effect that, it should have his support, and he would therefore, although he did not wholly disapprove of the present clause, vote for the motion for expunging it.
Lord Hobart did not mean, after whai had been urged in reply to the noble Baron who inade the original motion, to enter at large upon the subject, but he rose for the purpose of repelling some observations thrown out by the noble Baron, tending, in his judgment, to produce all the mischiefs they purposed to averi. He alluded to that part of his argument, wherein he called upon Parliament to do their dury, regardless of any consequences that might follow; and not to have it imagined that they were to be intimidated, by the numbers or extent of the volunteer force, from cruthing their committees, and abolishing the practice of deliberating. He could not fit filent, and here is asserted, that a British Legilla:tare could be ever deterred from the performance of its duty, or the maintenance of its authority, by any body or bodies of men. He thought ioo well of the principles of loyalty and patriotism by which the volunteers were actuated, to suppose ihat they would ever be guilty of the crime of rafhly fetting themselves up againit Parliament; but if they thould, be trusted that Parliament would always be found competent to the lack of putting them down. When the volunteers of Ireland, during the period that a noble Earl near him (Lord Weftmoreland) was Lurd Lieutenant there, were engaged in fome proceedings contrary to the existing laws, 'the Parlia." ment of that country exerted the powers with which the conftitution had invested it, and the volunteers were suppreffed. Should ihe same circumstances require it, as long as the fame cause produced the same cffe&t, a similar result would attend a funilar attempt by any description of force in this part of the empire. The original clause would, by its operation, accomplith, by gentler, and as effectual means, all that the n ble Earon promised to him!elf from the adoption of his fubstitute for it, and therefore it should have his support. :
The question was then put on the motion for expurging the clause:
Non contents, 25--Contents, 10-Majority, 15. A new clause was proposed by Lord Grenville, and adopied. 1. Some other amendinents were made, and the bill was palied, and ordered to be sent back to the Commons as amended.
Lord Hobart moved that, as the printed copies were on the table, the Irish militia augmentation bill should be read a second time the next day, and that the Lords (hould be summoned.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
WEDNESDAY, APRIL 18. Lord Marsham, as chairman of the Commirice on the Middlesex election, reported that Benjamin Weal having been duly summoned to attend the said Committee, had neglected to obey the said summons. On the motion of his Lordship, and conformably to the precedents in such cases, it was ordered that the Speaker do issue his warrant for taking the said Benjamin Weal into the custody of the Serjeant at Arms.
Mr. Penruddock Williams presented a petition from the debtors confined in the county gaol of Wilts. Ordered to lie on the table.
The Secretary at War slated, that the accounts ordered on the motion of an hon. Admiral (Berkeley), relative to the barrack department, were more exienlive ihan the hon. Admiral, on consideration, thought necessary. He therefore, with the consent of the hon. Adiniral, moved, that the faid order be discharged, and that an account be presented of all barracks hired by Government, and given up, together with the time of giving them up respectively. Ordered. This account was afterwards presented by Colonel Gordon from the barrack office, and ordered to lie on the table.
On the motion of Mr. Corry, the House went into a Comis mittee on the Irish revenue regulation aéts.
A resolution for continuing and amending the acts 42 and 43
Geo. III. for the better collection of the revenue in Ireland, was agreed to, and the report ordered to be received the next day:
Several petitions relative to corn, grain, and malt; were referred to the Committee on the corn laws.
On the motion of Mr. Elliot it was ordered, that the pros: per officer 1hould lay before the House an account of the pariicular suins charged under the heads of pensions, allowances, gratifications, and incidents, on the different departments of the revenue, barrack board, and board of works, in Ireland, in the different years, from ist January 1891, to ift January 1804, specifying each year.
ARMY OF RESERVE SUSPENSION BILL, Mr. Secretary Yorke moved the order of the day for the second reading of the bill for fufpending the army of reserve at.
Mr. Long rose merely to state, that a right hon. Friend of his (Mr. Pitt), who had given notice of his intention to enter into the discussion of this bill in its present stage, was prevented by a slight indisposition from coming down to the House that day. He could affure the House, that his right kon. Friend was extremely anxious to deliver his sentiments at large upon the subject. The House would recollect, that his right hon. Friend had given a notice on this subject before the recess, and that he had only put it off at the desire of his Majesty's Ministers, and to wait to see whether this meafure would answer the object he had in view. He had authority to stale on the present occafion, that in the next stage of ihis bill his right hon. Friend would attend to offer his sentiments at large, and to take the sense of the House upon thc mcafure. It would be convenient to gentlemen, if the right hon. Secretary of State would mention the day on which it was intended that the bill should be further proceeded upon. It would not be convenient, he believed, that it thould be proceeded upon the next day, as for the day after (Friday) an hon. Gentleman (Mr. Fox) whom he did not then see in his place, had given notice of a motion which was likely to produce much discussion; but he understood that hon. Genileman had no objection to accommodate the House by deferring his motion for a few days, if it should be the wich of the Houfe and his Majesty's Alinifters to proceed with the present bill on Friday. He withed some of the hon. Genileman's friends who were present, to face what they understood as to his concurrence.
Mr. Secretary Yorke was forry for the cause of the right hon. Gentleman's (Mr. Pill's) abfence on the present occa
fion. He withed the discussion to take place on as early a day as possible. The next day the bill could not be proceed. ed upon, because the clauses which it was intended to propose in the Committee were not yet framed. He had no objedion to the arrangement for Friday, if the hon. Gen. sleman who had given notice of a motion for that day (Mr. Fox) concurred in it. But he conceived it to be moft material, that the consideration of the subject to which that hon. Gentleman's norice referred should not be put off to any diftant day.
Mr. Adair ftated Mr. Fox's consent to defer his intended motion from Friday till Monday.
The Secretary ai War expressed a disposition to favour the arrangement, by putting off his intended motion on the army estimates from Monday till Wednesday.
The Chancellor of the Exchequer found it neceffary to put off from Wednesday next, the confideration of the ways and means of the year. Information was expected from Dublin, as to the part of the loan contracted for in Ireland ; and it was necessary that what had been done there should be known, before any thing could be done here as to the sum remaining to be contracted for. This information was expected the next day; and if it arrived, he should be ready on Wednesday to see the Gentlemen who were disposed to contract for the fum that would be wanted here. Three or four days would then be necessary for consideration and arrangement. He would therefore defer his notice froin Wednesday till Monday fe’nnight. His right hon. Friend (the Secretary at War) had al. ready fignified his willingness to accommodate the arrangement of the discussions which it was wished to go into, by putting off his motion on the army estimates till Wednefday. On that day it was meant to move the army extraordinaries. Also, he thought it necessary to state at the same tiine, that it was desirable that the motion of which notice had been given for Friday (Mr. Fox's), should be brought forward as early as possible.
Sir Robert Buxton rose, not to go into any argument on the merits of the bill then, though he declared hinilelf decidedly an enemy to it; but he witled to ask a question with regard to one of its principles, namely, the mode by which the money was to be affelled, for defraying the quotas claimable under the bill. If the assessinents were to be on counties at large, he had no objection to that part of the principle, but if on parilhes merely, he had. Itrong objections.
Mr Scorerary Yorke faid, if the hon. Baronet had looked into bill, he would have found the alleffinent was intended on påhe es, in the nature of poor's rates." The bill was read a second time, and committed for Friday.
EXCHEQUER BILLS. The House resolved itself into a Committee of Ways and Means, Mr. Alexander in the chair. The Chancellor of the Exchequer ftated that, on a former
, day, he had apprized the House of bis intention to move, in the Cominittee of Ways and Means this day, a vote for eleven millions, to be raised by Exchequer bills, to discharge the outstanding Exchequer bills not provided for, and to re
place those that would by such means be withdrawn from the " market. Since that notice, a conference had been held with
perfons on the part of the Bank; it was proposed by the Bank to defer the payment of a million and a half till next year, towards the renewal of the Bank charter, which liad been agreed to, so that it would be necessary only to raise nipe millions and a half. This he would propose to do by two bills : the one for railing eight millions, and the other for a million and a half. He felt it necessary, at the same time, to state, that there was no intention of funding any part of the outstanding Exchequer bills, and to say also, that there were no Exchequer bills now outstanding of an older date than of the 5th of April 1802. He concluded by moving two resolutions, agreeably to his staten,ent.
Mr. Johnfone thought the sum proposed was much greater than was necessary; as it appeared from the papers on the table, that of the eighteen millions of Exchequer bills that had been iffued, only 1,400,000l. had been paid, which left a balance still extant of 16,600,000l. which, with some other suins he stated, made up the sum 24,600,00ol. raised last year. Of the extant sum it was proposed to pay off eleven millions; and now it was proposed to issue eight millions more, and leave a million and a half in the Bank. There were seven millions belides, he would admit, in the Bank, under different acts, that would not come into the market ; but still, he contended, there would be fixteen millions afloat, which he confidered a greit deal too much. Besides, it was much too early in the feffion to refort to this mode of railing money, and contrary to the precedent of last year, when the right hon, Gentleman did nor propose his Exchequer-bill loan 'til the 13th of July, at which time it was only proposed to issue five millions. It was neceffary for the House to be acquainted, in the first instance, with the budget for the year, in order to judge VOL. II, 1803-4