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in which they wished the business to go to the Committee. They wished the right only to be considered, being certain that in that respect they must have a very decided superiority.
Mr. Wm. Dundas opposed the motion from the inconve, niency of keeping the Houte empty by such measures, and defeating the legal representation of the country. He would appeal to both parties if the schedule in question was not å paper which they could both will had never exifted; but as he already perceived the inclinations of the House, he w.ls-unwilling to trespass on their time.
The question was then put and carried, that the order should be discharged.
And on the notion of Mr. Sheridan, the said petition was ordered to be taken into consideration on the 3d of Mav next, the day appointed for the confideration of Mr. T. Sheridan's petition.
Mr. Burrouglis then moved, according to a standing order of the House, that the petition of Mr. Hulkiffon be heard first, as they were now both fixed for the same day.
The Speaker begged leave to remind the hon. Gentleman that the standing order of the House, to which he had alluded, applied only to the conduct of Committees in regard to the priority in question.
Mr. Cocks moved that the order for the confideration of the right be now read, in order that it might be postponed to the fame day fixed for the petitions. His reason was, that the parties who would be in conlequence of this bufi. nefs brought up to London, might not be detained longer than was absolutely necessary.
- The Secretary at War observed, that, if the question of right was once ascertained, the other two questions would follow of course, and would therefore save the trouble of any further attendance of witnesses.
Mr. Sheridan did not think that any witnesses that might be brought up would refuse their further attendance.
Mr. Cocks then stated that, on account of the thinness of the House, he was willing to withdraw his motion, and gave notice that he would bring it forward again the next day.
Mr. Sheridan preferred another petition respecting the
HOUSE OF LORD S.
FRIDAY, APRIL Ó. The Conimittee upon the Irish priests and deacons' bill, which stood for this day, was, on the luggeftion uf the BiTop of St. Asaph, postponed till Thursday.
On the motion of Lord Auckland, certain accounts respecting the capital, &c. of the Scotch bank were ordered 10 be laid before the House. These were moved for, his Lord. tip observed, from no inclination on his part to oppose the measure, but from the accounts moved for being necessary, as he understood, for the due illustration of the subject,
The bankers' bill, and the Irish militia families 'provision bill, were brought up from the Commons, and read a first time.
On the motion of the Bishop of St. Afaph, all the Lords present during this fefion were ordered to be Members of the Commitice on the St. Pancras poor bill.
VOLUNTEER REGULATIONS BILL-> The order of the day being read, the House refolved into a Committee on this bill, Lord Wallingham' in the chair.
The discussion of the fourth clause was, resumed. “'By this it is enacted, that every person enrolled, or to be enrolled, or serving as an effective member in any corps of yeomaniy or volunteers in Great Britain, and who Thall be duly reTurned or certified as such, thall be exempted from being, liable to serve personally, or to provide a substitute in the militia of Great Britain, or in any additional force railed, or to be raised, for the defence of the realm, or the more vigorous prosecution of the war, by any act palled in this feffion, &c.
Eail Spencer having referred to this part of the clause, moved to amend the fame by the addition of the words, " or any subsequent session of Parliament.”
This propofition gave rise to a difcuffion in which Lords Spencer, Grenville, the Lord Chancellor, Lords Eltenborough, Auckland, Carnarvon, and the Duke of Montrole, took a part,
It was contended on the part of those peers who fupported the amendment, as Lords Grenville, Spencer, Carnarvon, &c. that the principle of exemption having been recognized in, and provided for by the bill, it should consistently with parliamentary faith and honour, on which the yolunteer relied on tendering his services, be extended
in the way proposed by the amendment: the case was simiJar to that of the public creditor, who relied on a continued and unaltered parliamentary fanation, as a security for the interest of liis money; and it was preferable that the exemptions, such as contended for, should stand on the flatutes and rolls of Parliament, as the best security to the volunteer, and not to suffer these regulations' to be dependent on the feelings or future opinions of individuals.
It was contended by Lord Hawkesbury, the Lord Chancelior, and the other Ministerial Peers, that under all the circumstances of the case, it was preferable to let the clause remain as it stood : the clause had a two-fold operation, and applied to corps, &c. to be raised hereafter' as well as to thole now in existence. The amendment of the noble Earl would not therefore meet the object proposed ; the impolicy of tying up the hands of the Legislature in certain cafes was contended for: the honour and good faith of Parliament were, however, to be kept inviolate, and these were confiderations which must have their due effect on the Legislature, when considering of acts hereafter on the subject, should fuch proceedings be necessary,
At length the amendment was pushed to a division, when there appeared
Contents 14-Non-contents 31.-Majority against the addition 20.
Lord Grenville then proposed, that the words excepting from the exémptions' under the act such corps as in their offers of service had waved that privilege, should be winitted.
The Duke of Montrose, Lords Grenville, Carnarvon, King, Bolton, &c. Supported the amendment, and contended that ihere was ihe grosseft iufjustice and absurdity in allowing exemptions, as the act did, to new corps 10 be accepted of, and yet denying them to those who had honourably Itepped forward without any motive but patriotism. Exemptions were to be allowed to fuch additional corps as his Majesty might accept of. He might refuse their offer of service, hui, if he did accept of them, he niuft grant them the exemptions.
The Lord Chancellor, Lords Hawkesbury and Hobart, argued in favour of the original clause. They maintained that by the introduction of a word or two, excepting not only the corps who had already waved their exemptions, but those who might offer urder that condition, one half of the objection would be done aivay. The oiler half they
thought thought might easily be got the better of in consequence of that underítanding which must be fupposed to prevail between his Majesty and the corps already enrolled under the condition of waving their exemptions. They might, if they thought proper, signify their disinclination 10 continue their services under their former offers; and his Majesty would naturally see the propriety of re-embodying them without any such restriction.
On this amendment the House divided,
For the original clause, Contents 34-Non-contents 14Majority against the amendment 20.
Lord Grenville then moved an amendment on the next clause, the spirit of which was, that such volunteers as should hereafter be accepted, in addition to the present establishment, should not be entitled to any of the exemptions. In supporting the amendment, his Lordihip professed himself hoftile to the extension of exemptions, and at the fame time against carrying the volunteer system beyond its present cftablishment.
Lord Hobart could not help thinking, that such amendments could have no other tendency than to lose the time of the House, as should they even be carried, they would effect no material alteration in the fyftem. He regretted the loss of the support of the noble Lord, which must certainly be an acquisition to any Adininifiration; but the only answer that could be made to every thing that might be said in opposition to the bill was, the efficient force ačtually existing, that had been raised by the measures adopted by his Majesty's Government. In this respect, he would trust for approbation to the candour of the majority of the House.
Lord King was of opinion that, whatever trust his Majesty's Minilters might repose in the candour of the majority of the Houle, they did not possess the confidence of the country. Nothing, he thought, would give greater pleasure to the country at large than their dismiffion. The moft brilliant victory could not be more welcome at the present crisis than fuch news , while nothing, he was ceriain, could be more severely felt by the enemies of the country, who received additional strength in proportion to their weakness.
Lord IIawkesbury replied with confiderable warmth. was the duty of the House, if they thought Miniters. illqualified for their situation, to present an address to his Alajelty for their dismisfion; but so long as they were thought worthy to continue in office, it was the duty of the House to support them, and to allow them that degree of confi. dence which was absolutely necessary to carry into effect measures for the public safety. He adverted pretty largely to the former Administration. They in general had lupported their measures by pleading that the times were new, and the exigencies of the country imperiously urgent : but the present times were certainly not less new, nor the prefent exigencies of the country less urgent. The measures relating to the volunteer fyfter, had been brought forward originally from the spur of the moment, and, like other hurried measures, could not be expected to be all at once perfect. But all things considered, the Government certainly deferved credit for what tliey had done, and was entitled to the approbation of the country for having done so much.
The Duke of Montrose coniplained, that so far as he was officially concerned in regard io the volunteers, he had been puzzled and perplexed with the different measures that Go. vernment had adopted, and had found it repeatedly neccfsary, even to a troublefone degree, to apply by letter to the Sccretary at War for advice and information, while he was no less distressed by writing letters in a similar manner for the information of others. The noble Duke was for the amendment, and thought many alterations necessary to amend the system.
Lord Harrcwby supported the amendment, and dwelt particularly on the incongruities of the system).
Lord Carnarvin contended for tlic amendment, and made several reflections on the incapacity of Ministers, who did not possess, he thought, the confidence of the country.
The Lord Chancellor thought no noble Lord, whatever he might state as his own opinion, had a right to announce in laat House the supposed sentiments of the country. The noble Lord who had just sat down, or any other noble Lord, might withdraw his confidence from his Majesty's Government; but it was certainly not parliamentary in any noble Lord to constitute himself the organ of the public, and to declare as a faćt, what he might only conceive to be the opinion of the country. Allegations of this nature were unconftitutional. The noble Lord deprecated the language beld that night, in regard to the incapacity of tris Majelly's Ministers; and which was too commun, both in that House, and out of doors. For his own part he was willing to leave his place, hould the House point out any set of men who