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THE TIMES PUBLISHING COMPANY (LIMITED),

PRINTING HOUSE SQUARE, E.C.4.

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QUERIES:-Emerson's English Traits,' 9-Hidden Names
in Elizabethan Books-Bramble-Hutton, 10-Pirie-
General Stonewall Jackson-French School of Fine Arts
in London-William Phillips: Trace of MSS. Wanted-
Elephant and Castle-Brown: Bellingues: Hopcroft
Épater le bourgeois." 11-Grave of Emperor Honorius
-Gissing's On Battersea Bridge "-" Beauty is but skin
deep"- Urchfort-New England - Pagination - Chair
c. 1786-"Catholic"-Deal as a Place of Call-Sheriffs in
Scotland, 12-General James Oglethorpe-John Thornton
-Monkshood-Capt. G. W. Carleton-Henry Jenkins:

Killed in a Duel-John Witty-Capt. C. J. Grant Duff-

Miss Gordon, Schoolmistress - Grain Seeds lent by

Churches-'Sonnets of this Century,' 13-Leper's Win-

dows: Low Side Window-' In albis'-'Philochristus':

'Ecce Homo'-Thomas Pagard-John Ellis, D.D.-Theo-.

logical MSS. Identification Wanted-Tunstall-Walvein

Family, 14- Bocase" Tree- E. Owen of Swansea-Capt.

Henry Bell-Edward Kent Strathearn Steward-Valua-

tion of Ecclesiastical Benefices--Ship's Yards 'a-cock

bill-Author Wanted, 15.

gave lands in Westwood, in Erclientela, co. Here-

ford, to St. Peter's, Gloucester, for the soul of his
brother Roger. This is in the Survey, therefore
made before 1086. Westwood was given, ther
for the souls of his father, mother, and brother.
confirmed, to the monks by Walter de Gloucester
Herbert." -Landholders of Gloucestershire. in.
Domesday,' p. 78.

The authority given is: "Hist. et Cart. Mon.
St. Petri de Glouc., vol. i., p. 118." But the
passage referred to states that Westwood
was given by Roger de Gloucester (the son
of Durand):–

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"Anno Domini millesimo centesimo primo,
Rogerus de Gloucestria, pro anima patris sui et
matris, et pro anima Herberti fratris sui, dedit
Westwode in Jerchenfeld ecclesiae Sancti Petri
Gloucestriae, et duos Rodknyztes, et unam eccle-
siam cum una hida terrae, et uno molendino,
Willelmo rege juniore confirmante, rege Henrico
seniore confirmante, tempore Serlonis abbatis."

REPLIES:-The Moores of Egham, Surrey, 15-Mrs. Anne

Dutton: Authorship of B.M. Catalogue-An English

Army List of 1740, 17-Blackstone the Regicide-

Epigram: "A little garden little Jowett made "-Haver-

ing, 19-Xit": Who was He?-Peterloo-Nuncupative
The Cartulary does not contain any such

Wills-Sir Walter Raleigh and Queen Elizabeth at Sand- charter of Roger de Gloucester, and as

gate - Unfinished Eleventh-Century Law Case, 20-

David, Episcopus Recreensis' - Daggle Mop-John Domesday records that Westwood had been
Wilson, Bookseller-Persistent Error-Green Holly, 21-given to St. Peter's by Durand for the soul
Master Gunner-"Ney": Terminal to Surnames, &c., of his brother Roger, this entry in the list


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The construction is defective, but no doubt

"dedisse" depends on an omitted accusative.

However, I doubt if we can rely on this alleged charter, which first..notifies the king's gift of Maisemore, then confirms gifts by the wife of Roger de Lyry. "Jureio" is obviously a misreading of. Iereio), Roger de Gloucester (as above), and Hugh de Laci. There is a much shorter charter notifying the king's grant of Maisemore (ibid., ii. 22), without referring to other gifts, which I should think, more likely of the two to representa genuine charter. No doubt when Mr. Davis publishes the next volume of the Regesta Regum Anglo-Normannorum, we shall get an expert opinion on these charters.

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The two passages quoted above are the only references to Herbert, and make it clear that, if he existed at all, he was the brother of Roger de Gloucester. Yet in the index he is described as: Gloucester, Herbert, brother of Walter of." This may have led to the similar error by Mr. Ellis, whose reputation, of course, stands too high to be affected by one of those slips to which we are all liable.

In another place Mr. Ellis suggested that the Herbert who held Dene and Lesburne in 1086 of Walter de Gloucester,

"was, no doubt, his own brother, who must have died not long after, for the monks of Gloucester were to pray for his soul by desire of Walter, when giving or confirming Westwood (p. 78). It is not unlikely that in this brother Herbert we have that Herbert, the chamberlain, who was holding two manors in Hants of the king and another of Hugh de Port." (op. cit., p. 81).

No evidence is adduced in support of either suggestion, and the latter is hardly compatible with the dates; for Mr. Eyton showed that Herbert the Chamberlain did not die until about 1129 (Antiquities of Shropshire,' vii. 146-8). It is true that Mr. Eyton does not trace this Herbert back earlier than 1101, and it might be argued that he was the son of the Domesday tenant. But the Abingdon Chronicle shows that the Herbert who was Chamberlain under Henry I. was the same man as Herbert the Chamberlain living temp. William II., before the death of Abbot Rainald in 1097 (Chron. Mon. de Abingdon,' Rolls Series, ii. 42-3, 86, 134); and Dr. Round considers him as identical with the Domesday tenant (Victoria County History of Hampshire,' i. 425; cp. The King's Sergeants,' pp. 121, 322). Also it may be doubted whether a grandson of Durand de Gloucester would have been of age to act as Chamberlain even in 1101. And if the Herbert of 1086 were

the brother of Roger de Gloucester, his
descendants, the Fitzherberts, would have
been Roger's heirs; unless Roger himself
left a daughter.
G. H. WHITE.

23 Weighton Road, Anerley.

SHAKESPEARIANA.

TWELFTH NIGHT,' II. ii. :—

She sate like Patience on a monument
Smiling at grief.

Is

The sense is, She, smiling at grief (=suffer-
ing), sat like Patience on a monument.
the figure a likely invention of the poet ?
Does it recall some allegory, or has it any
other origin? What explanation can be
given of the idea!
TOM JONES.

SHAKESPEARE'S SONGS.-In Playford's Musical Companion,' 1667, there are settings of four songs from Shakespeare: 'What Shall He Have that Killed the Deer?' 'Jog On, Jog on, the Footpath Way,' Where the Bee Sucks,' Orpheus with His Lute.' The text follows the Folio, except that Autolycus's song has two extra stanzas :

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Yon paltry Moneybags of Gold
What need have we to stare for?
When little or nothing soon is told,
And we have the less to care for?
Cast care away, let sorrow cease,
A fig for Melancholy.
Let's laugh and sing, or if you please,
We'll frolick with sweet Molly.
However unimportant, they are
indicating.
H. DAVEY.

89 Montpelier Road, Brighton.

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'HAMLET,' I. iv. 36-8 (12 S. iv. 211; v. 4, 115).-It was Theobald who, having regard to the proper interpretation of the passage, first altered "eale" into "base," an emendation that was afterwards adopted by Heath, Malone, Steevens, and Singer; but though the right sense is thus obtained, the phrase dram of base" jars somewhat on the ear, as well as being unpoetic in expression. To overcome this difficulty I would therefore propose "lees," a word that might easily have been mistaken in copying for " eale." What lends probability to this reading, as well as to the substitution "overdaub " for" of a doubt (as suggested ante, p. 4), is the existence of a practice evidently known to the acting profession of bygone days, if not to the present generation, which is described in a quotation of the year 1763 given in that invaluable granary of English speech, the N.E.D.':" Thespis and his Company bedaubed their Faces with

the Lees of Wine" (J. Brown, Poetry and I found current in North Notts. in a small Music'). In the present case the circum- village, which run :—

stance would appear to have been skilfully
made use of by the dramatist at the close of
Hamlet's colloquy with Horatio on the
excesses of the Danish soldiery, the effects of
intemperance, and the kindred ills resulting
from any defect of body or mind in man
just as Hamlet is about to be brought face
to face with the apparition of his murdered
father. One can easily imagine what a
tour de force might be produced at the closing
of Hamlet's moralizing with the words :-
The dram of lees

Doth all the noble substance overdaub
To its own scandal,

on the spell-bound audience by the re-entry
of the Ghost !-one of those dramatic effects
of which Shakespeare is an acknowledged

master.

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May the devil take the magpie,

An' God take me.

left hand and make a cross on the ground
with their shoe toe, if the bird crossed their
path when on the way to school; but if the
bird flew straight ahead to keep right on.
Other children instead of this turned back
as it was unlucky to go on.
more was deemed the best of luck and a
good augury.

Derbyshire children sixty years ago were Since writing at the penultimate reference, taught to dread the sight of a single magpie, I find that Elze, in his Notes on Elizabethan to spit over the extended forefinger of the Dramatists,' 1889, p. 226, cites several instances of the word daub's" occurrence in Ben Jonson, Beaumont and Fletcher, and Nash. He states, too, that a Mr. Samuel Neil, who published an edition of Shakespeare's Works,' had also proposed the reading over daube," seemingly without having got the idea from Elze. The latter concludes with the remark: "Some Elizabethan authority for the verb 'overdaub' would be welcome."

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To see two or

THOS. RATCLIFFE.

A BATCH OF EMENDATIONS :-
(12 S. v. 202.)

'Tempest,' I. ii. 81 :

To trash for over-topping.

Most editors retain the word trash and explain the line as to lop for over-topping, i.e., to cut off the heads of rebellious spirits. Plash was proposed by Hanmer; but so far it N. W. HILL. has not come into favour.

'Tempest,' V. i., Ariel's song.-The only fault I find with this song is the rather too big break between the third and fourth lines. Would it be better if only a comma was put after the third line, and " or added to the beginning of the fourthdeleting, of course, also its unnecessary do" before "fly"? The song would then go thus:

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Where the bee sucks, there suck I,
In a cowslip's bell I lie,

There I couch when owls do cry,

Or on the bat's back I fly
After summer merrily, &c.

SHAKESPEARE: A SURVIVAL OF AUGURY (12 S. v. 5, 116).-There are several sets of rime lines known to country folk about the magpie, or "pynet" as it is commonly I see no need for the introduction of the called in Derbyshire, and the best known in swallow. The bat is nearly as much a the Midlands are those given by Mr. PAGE. follower of summer as the templeThe most sinister lines I have met with haunting martlet." W. H. PINCHBECK.

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