LONDON, JANUARY, 1920 CONTENTS.- No. 100. NOTES:-Herbert of Gloucester and Herbert theChamber- lain, 1-Shakespeariana, 2-Statues and Memorials in the British Isles, 5-"Eryngo" and " Eruca," 7-Napo- leonic and Other Relics in New Orleans-Pictorial Records of London'-Archdeacon Francis Wrangham -The Trinity House at Ratcliff, 8-"Stinting"-Sam - QUERIES:-Emerson's English Traits,' 9-Hidden Names c. 1786-" Catholic"-Deal as a Place of Call-Sheriffs in Scotland, 12-General James Oglethorpe-John Thornton -Monkshood-Capt. G. W. Carleton-Henry Jenkins: Killed in a Duel-John Witty-Capt. C. J. Grant Duff Miss Gordon, Schoolmistress Grain Seeds lent by Churches-Sonnets of this Century,' 13-Leper's Win- dows: Low Side Window-In albis-Philochristus': 'Ecce Homo'-Thomas Pagard-John Ellis, D.D.-Theo-. logical MSS.: Identification Wanted-Tunstall-Walvein Family, 14- Bocase" Tree- E. Owen of Swansea-Capt. Henry Bell-Edward Kent Strathearn Steward-Valua- "Anno Domini millesimo centesimo primo, Rogerus de Gloucestria, pro anima patris sui et matris, et pro anima Herberti fratris sui, dedit Westwode in Jerchenfeld ecclesiae Sancti Petri Gloucestriae, et duos Rodknyztes, et unam eccle- REPLIES:-The Moores of Egham, Surrey, 15-Mrs. Anne siam cum una hida terrae, et uno molendino, Dutton: Authorship of B.M. Catalogue-An English Willelmo rege juniore confirmante, rege Henrico Army List of 1740, 17-Blackstone: the Regicide-seniore confirmante, tempore Serlonis abbatis." Epigram: "A little garden little Jowett made"-Haver- ing. 19-"Xit": Who was He ?-Peterloo-Nuncupative Wills-Sir Walter Raleigh and Queen Elizabeth at Sand- gate- Unfinished Eleventh-Century Law Case, 20- David, 'Episcopus Recreensis' - Daggle Mop-John Wilson, Bookseller-Persistent Error-Green Holly, 21- Master Gunner-"Ney": Terminal to Surnames, &c., 22-Author of Anthem Wanted-Tom Jones'-'Adeste Fideles'-Rime on Dr. Fell, 23-Alleyne or Allen-Pannag, 24-Finkle Street-John Wm. Fletcher-George Shep- The Cartulary does not contain any such charter of Roger de Gloucester, Domesday records that Westwood had been given to St. Peter's by Durand for the soul of his brother Roger, this entry in the list of donations appears suspicious; all the more so because a charter concocted by the monks yields a third story, Westwood being made a gift of Walter de Gloucester for the soul of his father (cp. 12 S. v. 261-2). If the whole entry is not an invention, it may probably confuse two separate acts by Roger de Gloucester, viz. : (1) a confirmation of his father's gift of Westwood, and (2) a gift of two rodknights, &c., for the soul of his brother Herbert, the date applying only to the latter. (If so, were these new grants at Westwood, or where ?) This suggestion may receive some support (quantum valeat) from a charter of Henry I. in the cartulary, which states that Roger's gift was made by the king's permission, but does not mention "Sciatis......et terram quam Rogerus de Glouces- tria dedit ecclesiae Sancti Petri de Gloucestria pro anima fratris sui Hereberti, scilicet duos radcnithes, et unam ecclesiam cum una hyda terrae, et unum molendinum, meo concessu dedisse."— Ibid, ii., The construction is defective, but no doubt "dedisse" depends on an omitted accusative. By GEORGE WILLIS. 7s. 6d. net. 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Wanted- Elephant and Castle-Brown: Bellingues: Hopcroft Épater le bourgeois." 11-Grave of Emperor Honorius -Gissing's On Battersea Bridge Beauty is but skin deep"-Urchfort-New England - Pagination - Chair c. 1786-"Catholic"-Deal as a Place of Call-Sheriffs in Scotland, 12-General James Oglethorpe-John Thornton -Monkshood-Capt. G. W. Carleton-Henry Jenkins: Killed in a Duel-John Witty-Capt. C. J. Grant Duff- Miss Gordon, Schoolmistress Grain Seeds lent by Churches 'Sonnets of this Century,' 13-Leper's Win- dows: Low Side Window-In albis-Philochristus' 'Ecce Homo'-Thomas Pagard-John Ellis, D.D.-Theo-. logical MSS. Identification Wanted-Tunstall-Walvein Family, 14- Bocase" Tree- E. Owen of Swansea-Capt. Henry Bell-Edward Kent Strathearn Steward-Valua- REPLIES:-The Moores of Egham, Surrey, 15-Mrs. Anne Dutton: Authorship of B.M. Catalogue-An English Army List of 1740, 17-Blackstone the Regicide- Epigram: "A little garden little Jowett made "-Haver- ing. 19-"Xit": Who was He ?-Peterloo-Nuncupative Wills-Sir Walter Raleigh and Queen Elizabeth at Sand- gate Unfinished Eleventh Century Law Case, 20- David, 'Episcopus Recreensis' - Daggle Mop-John Wilson, Bookseller-Persistent Error-Green Holly, 21- Master Gunner-"Ney": Terminal to Surnames, &c., Fideles -Rime on Dr. Fell, 23-Alleyne or Allen-Pannag, 24-Finkle Street-John Wm. Fletcher-George Shep- herd-Title of Book Wanted-Authors Wanted, 25- Coorg State: Strange Tale of a Princess-Charles Lamb 22-Author of Anthem Wanted-Tom Jones'-'Adeste 'gave lands in Westwood, in Erchenfield, co. Here- ford, to St. Peter's, Gloucester, for the soul of his brother Roger. This is in the Survey, therefore made before 1086. Westwood was given,' rather confirmed, to the monks by Walter de Gloucester for the souls of his father, mother, and brother Herbert." -Landholders of Gloucestershire in The authority given is: "Hist. et Cart. Mon. passage referred to states that Westwood "Anno Domini millesimo centesimo primo, The Cartulary does not contain any such charter of Roger de Gloucester, and as Domesday records that Westwood had been given to St. Peter's by Durand for the soul of his brother Roger, this entry in the list of donations appears suspicious; all the more so because a charter concocted by the monks yields a third story, Westwood being made a gift of Walter de Gloucester for the soul of his father (cp. 12 S. v. 261-2). If the whole entry is not an invention, it may probably confuse two separate acts by Roger de Gloucester, viz. : (1) a confirmation of his father's gift of Westwood, and (2) a gift of two rodknights, &c., for the soul of his brother Herbert, the date applying only to the latter. (If so, were these new grants at Westwood, or where ?) This suggestion may receive some support (quantum valeat) from a charter of Henry I. in the cartulary, which states that Roger's gift was made by the king's permission, but does not mention "Sciatis......et terram quam Rogerus de Glouces- tria dedit ecclesiae Sancti Petri de Gloucestria pro anima fratris sui Hereberti, scilicet duos radenithes, The construction is defective, but no doubt "dedisse" depends on an omitted accusative. 23 Weighton Road, Anerley. However, I doubt if we can rely on this the brother of Roger de Gloucester, his alleged charter, which first notifies the descendants, the Fitzherberts, would have king's gift of Maisemore, then confirms gifts been Roger's heirs; unless Roger himself is left a daughter. G. H. WHITE. by the wife of Roger de Ivry (“ Jureio obviously a misreading of Ivreio), Roger de Gloucester (as above), and Hugh de Laci. There is a much shorter charter notifying the king's grant of Maisemore (ibid., ii. 22), without referring to other gifts, which I should think more likely of the two to No doubt represent a genuine charter. when Mr. Davis publishes the next volume of the Regesta Regum Anglo-Normannorum,' we shall get an expert opinion on these charters. II. The two passages quoted above are the only references to Herbert, and make it clear that, if he existed at all, he was the Yet in the brother of Roger de Gloucester. index he is described as: "Gloucester, Herbert, brother of Walter of." This may have led to the similar error by Mr. Ellis, whose reputation, of course, stands too high to be affected by one of those slips to which we are all liable. In another place Mr. Ellis suggested that the Herbert who held Dene and Lesburne in 1086 of Walter de Gloucester, "was, no doubt, his own brother, who must have died not long after, for the monks of Gloucester were to pray for his soul by desire of Walter, when giving or confirming Westwood (p. 78). It is not unlikely that in this brother Herbert we have that Herbert, the chamberlain, who was holding two manors in Hants of the king and another of Hugh de Port." (op. cit., p. 81). SHAKESPEARIANA. 'TWELFTH NIGHT,' II. ii. :— She sate like Patience on a monument The sense is, She, smiling at grief (=suffer- TOM JONES. Yon paltry Moneybags of Gold 89 Montpelier Road, Brighton. worth 66 dram of base jars somewhat No evidence is adduced in support of either 'HAMLET,' I. iv. 36-8 (12 S. iv. 211; v. 4, suggestion, and the latter is hardly compatible with the dates; for Mr. Eyton 115).-It was Theobald who, having regard showed that Herbert the Chamberlain did to the proper interpretation of the passage, not die until about 1129 (Antiquities of first altered "eale" into "base," an emendaShropshire,' vii. 146-8). It is true that Mr. tion that was afterwards adopted by Heath, Eyton does not trace this Herbert back Malone, Steevens, and Singer; but though is thus obtained, the earlier than 1101, and it might be argued the right sense that he was the son of the Domesday tenant.phrase But the Abingdon Chronicle shows that the on the ear, as well as being unpoetic in Herbert under expression. To overcome this difficulty I who was Chamberlain "lees," a word Henry I. was the same man as Herbert the would therefore propose Chamberlain living temp. William II., before that might easily have been mistaken in the death of Abbot Rainald in 1097 (Chron. copying for "eale." What lends probability Mon. de Abingdon,' Rolls Series, ii. 42-3, to this reading, as well as to the substitution overdaub for of a doubt" (as suggested 86, 134); and Dr. Round considers him as identical with the tenant ante, p. 4), is the existence of a practice Domesday ("Victoria County History of Hampshire,' evidently known to the acting profession of i. 425; cp. The King's Sergeants,' pp. 121, bygone days, if not to the present generation, 322). Also it may be doubted whether a which is described in a quotation of the grandson of Durand de Gloucester would year 1763 given in that invaluable granary Thespis have been of age to act as Chamberlain even of English speech, the N.E.D.' : in 1101. And if the Herbert of 1086 were and his Company bedaubed their Faces with 66 66 66 the Lees of Wine (J. Brown, 'Poetry and I found current in North Notts. in a small Doth all the noble substance overdaub on the spell-bound audience by the re-entry master. 66 occurrence Since writing at the penultimate reference, I find that Elze, in his Notes on Elizabethan Dramatists, 1889, p. 226, cites several instances of the word daub's in Ben Jonson, Beaumont and Fletcher, and Nash. He states, too, that a Mr. Samuel Neil, who published an edition of Shakespeare's Works,' had also proposed the reading over daube," seemingly without having got the idea from Elze. The latter concludes with the remark: Some Elizabethan authority for the verb 'overdaub' would be welcome." 66 SHAKESPEARE A SURVIVAL OF AUGURY (12 S. v. 5, 116).-There are several sets of rime lines known to country folk about the magpie, or "pynet" as it is commonly called in Derbyshire, and the best known in the Midlands are those given by Mr. PAGE. One for sorrow, Two for mirth, Four a birth; Another ending is— Five for England, A very satisfactory and pastoral ending. I see one magpie. May the devil take the magpie, Derbyshire children sixty years ago were To see two or Where the bee sucks, there suck I, There I couch when owls do cry, After summer merrily, &c. I see no need for the introduction of the swallow. The bat is nearly as much a follower of summer as the temple |