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will not, it is said, reimburse the expense which ever, vote for its complete abolition if proposed by porting to one paper I go for the whole, that is for the proprietors of the paper would incur. The re- any other Senator, under the perfeci conviction all fair papers, because I would not go for any publication, then, in that point of view, is a favor that the whole business of reporting may be safely. mere partisan which had some idiosyncrasy in its to the Senate. What will be the consequence? | left to private enterprise, and that everything said | temperament that would prevent its acting fairly. Why, sir, at the next session you will be called here worth repeating, will be reported.

Mr. RUSK. I was here when the present sys. upon to continue the publication of the debates and I beg leave to submit the following amendment: tem of reporting was adopted. There was a good proceedings in the Intelligencer at the old rate. That from and after the present session, the publication

deal of discussion as to whether Congress should Taking the premises of the advocates of the reso- of the proceedings and debates in the Union be discon- employ paid reporters to publish their debates. It lution, I can see no other object than to reinstate tinued.

was ascertained that under the old method which the Intelligencer in the employment which it vol

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was pursued—that of each gentleman reporting untarily declined. I am unwilling to take any step

A message was here received from the President his own speeches-constant mistakes were oceurtowards this

result. But, sir, taking for granted of the United States, by SIDNEY Webster, Esq., ring as to what had been said by members, some that the suggested reason of this proposition is

his Private Secretary; and on motion by Mr.

MA: | of which were charged to have been wilfully made, the real one, assuming that the true and only motive for bringing it forward and pressing it upon

son, by unanimous consent, the consideration of and others arose from the difficulty of reporting,

the resolution was informally passed over, and the | for it is a business which requires talent to make the Senate at the but of the session, when there is Senate proceeded to the consideration of Executive

correct reports. The matter was a good deal dishardly a quorum present, is a patriotic desire to enlighten the people by placing before the largest | doors were reopened. business; and after some time spent therein, the cussed. One system was adopted and abandoned,

and afterwards a committee was appointed, on the possible number of readers our reported proceed

motion of the late Senator from Missouri, (Mr. ings and debates, let me suggest a far betier mode

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Benton.] That Senator and myself were on the of accomplishing the object: order this republica

The Senate resumed the consideration of the res- committee. We reported the present system of tion in the National Era. Republishing in the Daily olution in relation to paying the National Intelli- employing reporters. It is no speculation on the National Intelligencer our debates and proceedings, I gencer for printing the debates of the Senate. part of newspapers. We called before us practiwould be to spread them before some two thousand Mr. BUTLER. I have no time to discuss many cal printers, men on whom reliance could be additional readers. If transferred to the Tri-Week- l of the topics which have been dwelt upon by the placed, and also those who were familiar with rely they would reach four or five thousand more. honorable Senator from Ohio. I assure that 'Sen-porting, and we settled the compensation at a fair Řepublished in the Era, they would reach twenty- | ator that he by his speaking has rather changed | living rate, which was seven dollars and fifty eight thousand additional readers. I do not say my mind. I was inclined to vote against the res- cents for reporting and publishing in the Union that all the readers of either paper will read these olution. I am satisfied now that I ought to vote and Intelligencer. They complained afterwards, reports. Indeed, 1 apprehend that very few per- for it and against the amendment, because if the and I think with just cause, that it hardly remusons find time or inclination to go through them in amendment be passed the effect of it will be to nerated them for the trouble and expense which whatever paper they may be found. I only say I give to the Globe the monopoly, the exclusive they incurred. It is a pretty expensive business, that if the real object of the resolution is to place privilege of spreading our debates before the coun- for it requires a large corps of reporters, and a them before the greatest possible number of per- iry. If you dispense with the Union, the Intelli- great deal of labor. "Everybody knows the mansons, the Era is the proper paper for the republica- gencer, and the Era, what is the result: The ner in which our debates have been reported under tion. That is the paper, if any, in which the public | Globe is then the exclusive vehicle for spreading the system. interest would require it; for it has by far the largest the debates through the country, and that of course The Intelligencer, as has been stated, declined number of readers. I believe I may safely say that

will increase its circulation. I opposed the con- the business, and now I understand the resolution it has, at this moment, a larger number of sub- ferring of the franking privilege upon the Globe. | before us to amount to this: that for publishing scribers than all other papers in the city put to- ! have opposed all this system of bounty. My the debates they shall be paid four dollars per gether. It has probably three times as many as the judgment is that there ought to be no hired re- column, striking off three and a half for the reIntelligencer, and more than three times as many as porters, though on that point, when on a former | porting. I am not prepared to say that it is not the Union. This is certain, unless the circulation occasion we discussed this subject, several distin- | better to have but one corps of reporters, but I of those papers has increased considerably within guished gentlemen, Mr. Calhoun amongst the rest, think it is not, for when there are two corps one eighteen or twenty months. Then there is another differed from me. I know that very distinguished acts as a check upon the other. At any rate as consideration at once pertinent and important: men who represented minorities, said tnat they it now stands we are paying two establishments That class of American citizens who read the Era had not fair play and would not have unless they for the publication of our debates, the Globe and and act upon the principles which it promulgates had some way of throwing out their speeches in the Union. One of them is a neutral paper, while and defends, is often spoken of here as wanting in every part of the Union. At that time there was the other belongs to the party that is in the maliberal and enlightened patriotism and in proper an organization almost systematic in its character | jority in the Senate and in the country. The Indevotion to the domestic institutions of the coun- to exclude southern speeches from northern prints, telligencer, which is read by a large number of the try. What could be more prudent or more be- and when they did go to the North it was with | opposite party, is excluded from publishing the nevolent than to give these numerous fellow-citi- comments which always destroyed their effect. || debates, and its party is excluded from the benezens of ours the means of correcting their errors by Since that perhaps the people at the North have fit of reading them. I do not agree with the Senthe perusal of the able and luminous speeches made read the speeches made by southern men in the ator from Ohio by any means, that this is a job here, in which the true political faith is illustrated Senate-how far public opinion has been affected for the printers; nor do I agree with him that and defended? Some of the speeches made by my by it I know not—but the only way to reach the there is such a vast deal of trash thrown out in friend from California, (Mr. WELLER,) might be public mind—and I suppose public opinion is the the way of public speeches; and if it were so I extremely valuable in that point of view. It is tribunal by which this Government is to be con- | think the further and wider it is published the possible that the great good to be anticipated from trolled-is to throw out the debates impartially better, because it will bring the people to the corthe circulation of sound doctrines among so many So far from voting for the amendment limiting the rection of the evil. I think the further and wider benighted persons might warrant a little stretch of circulation of the debates to the Globe and ex

we extend the intelligence of our proceedings patronage; I cannot say, however, that I would cluding the Union and Intelligencer, or confining it here, what gentlemen do and what they say, the favor even that. Iam content, upon the whole, that to the Globe and Union as is done at present, I better it is. It will have a salutary influence upon the readers of the Era shall be left to get their light see no reason why we should exclude the Intelli- / us, and according to my conception it will have a as they get it now: to subscribe for such papers as gencer, which is an old paper, somewhat consecra- beneficial influence on the country: they choose to subscribe for, and to correct their ted in my memory, for it was the first I ever saw, What is the question before us? Here is the errors, if errors they contain, without the help of and I remember well carrying it from the post | Democratic party, which is in the majority, payCongress. I only say that if the real object of the office. That was many years ago. I learned to ing one paper that is clearly a Democratic paper, resolution is the widest and most beneficial diffusion read by its editorials; in 1812 and '13 I have been and paying another, the editors of which everyof information in respect to debates and proceed | stirred' by reading its columns, and I hardly ever body knows to be Democratic, although its editoings here, that object can in no way be so complete- see it now without having some associations called rials do not pertain to party matters, and we are ly attained as by the republication of the reports of up with former and better times.

asked also to pay the Intelligencer, a Whig paper, them in that paper, recommended above all others by I shall vote for the proposition, and I shall vote and one of the oldest in the country, and allow me its large circulation, and as highly as any other by for it distinctly upon the ground that I go for free, to say, for I have read it a great deal, one of the the fairness and ability with which it is conducted. | fair, and impartial discussion; and I am willing fairest I have seen, when it comes to a statement For myself, I repeat, I am against the whole sys- to make the Intelligencer one of the vehicles for of facts in regard to public men. I do not believe tem; I am against its perpetuation and extension, | throwing our debates out to the country, because in the doctrines which it inculcates and advocates, by the adoption of the resolution now before us. I believe it to be a tolerably fair paper. At any but I have seen no unfairness in it in regard to Instead of perpetuation and extension, I am for rate it conducts itself with dignity. I do not think public men. It is one of our oldest papers, and abolition. And I want to begin now. Before I the Era ought to lose the simplicity of its charac- | as the Senator from South Carolina has said, it is take my seat, I mean to submit a motion to amend ter. Let it be confined to its own business. But i associated with earlier and, I agree with him, the resolution, by striking out all after the word I have no idea that a paper like the Intelligencer better days, when there was more principle and resolved, and inserting an order to discontinue the should be excluded when others are included. | less patronage connected with parties than there publication of our proceedings in the Union after My judgment would be to have no official report- || is at the present moment. Now the question is the present session. This will be a step in the ing, but to let the different papers take the debates are we willing to pay that paper for publication? righi direction, and I have stated the reasons and use them as they can. 'I know there are many We are not asked to pay for a corps of reporters. which make it especially proper that this step who differ from me, and think that that mode would I hope we will do it. I hope the Senator from should be taken now. Hereafter, we may go fur- operate unfairly to the minority, and that in re- Ohio will consent to it. The Intelligencer is taken ther. For the present, I shall not object to the con- || gard to public opinion the majority would have by a large number of highly respected people tinuance of the existing system of reporting in one the advantage in the contest. I do not know throughout the country. All the leading Whigs, paper and by one corps of reporters. "I shall, how. Il whether it would or not, but if you give the re- || all the old men, and a great many Democrats take

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it. I think it is nothing but right; I think it is I ligencer found it to be profitable to publish the work better. But what we want, if we want any but an act of justice; and, sir, I think it is but an debates. lt very soon found that it was not profit reporters under the sanction of the Senate, is an act of magnanimity which I cannot find it in my able, and it thereupon notified us that it declined authentic account of our proceedings by one reheart to refuge.

to continue the publication of them. A Senator sponsible body of reporters, which will stand for Mr. WELLER. I did intend to say a word or from New Hampshire (Mr. NORRIS) then offered all time, and which cannot be contradicted or Fa. two in reply to my friend from South Carolina, a resolution to substitute the Daily Globe for the ried by a reference to any other reports ander but as he seems to be in so witty a mood to-day, Intelligencer; and the question now is, the Intelli- similar sanction. I am afraid of provoking a reply. (Laughter.] || gencer having thrown up its contract, and we hav One corps of reporters will cost enough, as I At all events, the safer course is to let him pass. ing substituted the Globe in place of it, whether we have already shown. It will cost at least $50,000 However, I want to say a word or two in regard will go on and pay a third paper for publishing our for the Senate during the long sessions, and I do to this question. In my judgment, it is not a ques- proceedingsmihat third paper having declined the not know how much for the House. tion of magnanimity at all. It is a question of jus- expense of reporting and publishing ihem already. The Senator from Arkansas, (Mr. BORLAND, ] tice. We who are in the majority here, have our It seems to me that it would be clearly improper. very well says that whatever may be the merits debates published in the paper which is recog- | As to what has been said of the character of the of a proposition to employ the Intelligencer in nized as the organ of the Democratic party of the Intelligencer, I indorse it all. I regard it as one future, there is no propriety in paying for the recountry. Now, I ask whether the Senators who of the most respectable papers, and it is published publication of old debates already reported. Who are in a minority on this floor have not a right to by some of the most respectable gentlemen in the believes that the speeches will be read, if we rehave their views disseminated through the paper country. I do not know that I have ever seen it | print them? The session has passed away: the which they recognize as their organ? That is a descend to scurrility. I regretted to see it throw interest in the debates has gone. matter of justice. I wish to say nothing upon this up its contract. I wished to see it continued; and I think, Mr. President, that the whole system floor which I am not as willing should be read by the if our system of reporting is continued, I wish, not had better be discontinued, and that we had better Whig party as by the Democratic party. Besides, that the Globe shall do the reporting, but that the make the beginning now. I propose to commence if Senators who are in the majority will look at Intelligencer, at the beginning of the next session, l with the Union, because it is the paper which repthis question, they will see that by the publication when it may be willing to meet the expense, shall resents the majority in this Chamber, and for of Democratic speeches in Whig newspapers they do it. I wish that the two party, papers should which the majority have sufficiently cared by may reach Whig hearts and induce them to turn continue the reporting. I am, with the Senator giving to its proprietor the public printing. They from the error of their ways and come into the from Ohio, against the whole system. The amount have given him a fortune in that office, and I see Democratic party. How can Democratic Sena that has been paid for it, shows that it ought to be no reason for making a larger addition to it, in the tors here who are daily enlightening the Senate discontinued." It is one of those expenditures shape of compensation for publishing our proupon the great principles which are involved be- | which has grown up in late days, commencing no ceedings. tween the political parties expect their learned further back than 1846, which ought to be dis So far as the dissemination of information is discussions to reach the Whig heart unless they pensed with. It will, like the system of extra concerned, I have shown the Senate already that are republished in the Whig organs? Therefore, compensation, go on increasing until paper after if you wish to place the speeches of Senators bebelieving that the great body of that party stand paper will come in and ask to be paid for publish fore the greatest number of readers, and especially in need of information, and that the readiest way ing the proceedings, and the whole thing will go if you want to correct opinions which most of the of getting them enlightened upon these questions by the board. These debates can be obtained very | gentlemen here regard as heretical, there is another is to republish our debates in the Whig newspa- || easily now. Here is the Globe, or Appendix, paper to which your regards should be extended pers, I shall vote for the resolution; for, as I have which can be got for one dollar and filliy cents, a paper which has a greater circulation than all said already, I believe it is but an act of justice. | with the speeches of every member of Congress. | the other papers in this city put together. Its You have no right, because you are in the majority | In addition to paying for the publication in the readers are scattered through ihe whole country. here, to select one of your party organs, and say Daily Globe and Union, we pay for the publication | It is read North; it is read South; it is read abroad; that all the transactions of the Senate shall be pub- l in the Congressional Globe itself, and we have it is read by a class of citizens who, in the judge lished in it exclusively. There are a vast multi- | given to it the franking privilege throughout the ment of many Senators, especially need to be entude of ignorant men in the country who are whole country. Every time this thing comes up to lightened. If you are going to undertake the correaders of the National Intelligencer, and other get money out of the Treasury, it is made a question rection of Whig judgments by the republication Whig papers, and who stand in need of inform- of disseminating information among the people- of old speeches, is it not worth while to go a little ation. "(Laughter.] It is a matter of justice, a question of enlightenment; and we have it now further and try the efficacy of the process upon as well as policy, that in dispensing your patron- | raised in regard to speeches which were made long these Independent Democrats? A Senator near age, you should look to their interests as well as since, and published in the Intelligencer to the ex me seems to demur to this name. It is the right to your own political friends. If I were to select tent to which it was profitable at the time, and to name. Other designations, I know, are more comone paper in which to publish the debates, I would

no greater extent. I shall vote against the reso mon here and elsewhere. They are most frequentselect the National Intelligencer, because the Dem- | lucion.

ly used by those who fear the growing conviction ocratic party is already sufficiently enlightened, Mr. CHASE. If this were a simple question among the people that the sincerest and deepest (renewed laughter,] while the Whig party stands in of magnanimity I might agree with the Senator devotion to Democratic principles is found among need of information. How many Whigs, unless from California, but I regard it as a question of the opponents of slavery, and that they are best some provision of this sort be made, will ever read public duty. I think that those who advocate entitled to the name of Democrats who most faiththe learned speeches of my friend from South Car economy in public expenditures, and the reform fully carry out the doctrines of Democracy. But olina?—and he never speaks without displaying of abuses in the Government, have now a chance if all this is a mistake, and these voters are indeed great ability, and oftentimes great wit and humor, to show the sincerity of their faith by their votes. visionaries and errorists, why not give them the which is sometimes considered by the people as I have not said a word against the National Intel- / light of your debates? They go for too much more important than wisdom. (Mr. Butler rose, ligencer. It is ably conducted. It is a staid, reform. They go for too much progress. They evidently desirous to obtain the floor.) Mr. Presi- decorous, conservative, highly respectable paper. are in too great haste, gentlemen think, to bring dent, I am really afraid of provoking my friend Conservatism is always respectable; progress is about the political millennium. Now, place your from South Carolina. (Laughter.] If I have not sometimes too earnest, 100 emphatic, energetic, speeches before them. Correct their errors. Dis. already done so, I will stop.

to be respectable, in the conservative sense of the abuse them of their false impressions. If you Mr. BUTLER. I do not like to be back-bitten word.

succeed as well as you seem to have succeeded to my face. (Laughter.]

But, sir, what have we paid already to this pa with the Whigs, (for it is hard to distinguish one Mr. WELLER. I have nothing more to say | per? We have paid the Union, under the resolu of the Baltimore platforms from the other,) what except that I shall certainly vote for the resolu tion of August 18, 1848, $49,123 18. We paid an era of peace and harmony and union we shall tion. If you had taken the vote in the outset, I | the Intelligencer up to the time when it voluntarily have! would have voted the other way--I believe I did. discontinued its contract, $30,428 54. These are Mr. President, the Senator from Texas (Mr. I was voting with some gentlemen on the other large sums. As the Senator from lowa justly Rusk) takes exception to my remark, that a great side of the Chamber the honorable gentleman observed when the Intelligencer voluntarily dis deal of trash goes abroad under the name of was standing on the side of the Chamber usually continued its contract, we substituted the Globe debates and proceedings of the two Houses of occupied by the Whig Senators) who think that for it, and the simple question now is whether we Congress. I may have used too strong a word; all our debates should be published in the Demo- shall reinstate the Intelligencer in the employment and certainly I did not mean to characterize the cratic organ, and it struck me that this was an which it abandoned and thus have three corps of speeches of Senators as trash. When Senators effort to give a little of the Federal patronage to a reporters, and three printers at the next session speak, I listen always with respect, often with Whig newspaper, and on principle I would be as instead of two. I have already said I am perfect- | interest and instruction. Many speeches made the Irishman said fore-nint that; but when I comely willing to give up the whole system as an un here are able, important, and permanently valuato look at the question for myself, and apply the successful experiment. I do not think it desirable. But who does not know, also, that much rules of justice by which I wish to be governed in ble to continue it at all; and I will go with any goes into their reports, which is of no value and all cases to it, I feel myself obliged to vote for it. gentleman who may propose its abolition. But no interest? How much that is trivial, how much

Mr. DODGE, of lowa. For once, I find my- if we are to have a system at all, certainly we that is absolutely frivolous takes place here and self in Free-Soil company. I think the Senator want but one corps of reporters. We do not want finds its way into the reports? I have no desire from Ohio is right in the course which he has two; much less do we want three. Every Senator that all this should go abroad. It does not entaken. As to the question of justice, I will say to who looks at the reported proceedings in the two hance the dignity of the Senate. I fear, indeed, my friend from California that when this thing papers now employed will find frequent discrepan- that the reputation of this body has not improved originated, everybody said it was right to pay the cies. These are unavoidable when two distinct in the judgment of the country since this system Intelligencer as well as the Union, for the publishing corps are employed. The reporters of both papers of reporting was adopted. If it be extended, if of the speeches to go out pari passu. That state of are as able and accomplished men as are to be reporter be added to reporter, and printer to things continued to exist just so long as the Intel- I found in their profession; none could do their printer, and job to job, you may rest assured that

am not dis- || sonal friend, and I would not disturb a hair of his

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SENATE. it will go down under precisely the same public that newspaper hy making it the publisher of any I say in all courtesy, that he must allow me to odium which has overwhelmed constructive mile- | portion of the debates of the Senate. I know of repudiate the idea of his representing the Democage and extra compensation.

no practical good which the publication in that racy of that State. In the name of the sound and Mr. DODGE, of lowa. I move to amend the paper can produce to the country. I cannot con true men of Ohio, I deny that he is entitled to this amendment by adding “and Globe."

sent to encourage either directly or indirectly a position. The amendment to che amendment was rejected; press which advocates doctrines calculated to dis Now, Mr. President, I do not know that I and the question recurring on the amendment, it tract and divide the Union. That paper is the or should have said anything upon this occasion or was rejected.

gan of a faction which has already done much to engaged in this unprofitable debate if it had not Mr. CHASE. I move to amend the resolution | disturb the harmony of the States, and weaken the been for the fact that we have no public business by inserting after the words “ National Intelligen-bonds which bind them together. The patronage to transact. I would not have been justifiable in cer,” the words “National Era;' and on the of the Senate should not be so distributed as to imposing remarks of this character upon the Senamendment I ask for the yeas and nays. aid in this unhallowed work.

ate, if there had been any public business before On a division of the question on ordering the All that I desire to say to the Senator from Ohio us demanding action; bui everybody knows that yeas and nays, only four Senators rose in its fa- | is, that I could not understand his assertion when, there is nothing for us to do. We are only waitvor, and

the other day, he claimed to be the representative | ing on the Executive for political victims. The The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Stuart in of the great Democracy of Ohio! Does he suppose Senator from Ohio has been speaking to-day with the chair) decided that they were not ordered. that the Democracy of that State will recognize no other view perhaps than to spread his speech

Mr. CHASE. I ask for a count on the other that Abolition journal as its organ? Do they look out in the columns of the Globe. I am willing side.

into that paper for the purpose of finding their po that it shall go there; and whenever he makes a The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Chair does litical creed? Do they examine it for the purpose speech in the Senate, and gives me an opportunot think that necessary. It requires one fifth of of determining what the honor and justice of the nity to make a short reply, I will contribute a a quorum to order the yeas and nays, and four country may demand from them? "If, sir, they small amount towards its free publication in the Senators are not one fifth.

do, then, as I said upon another occasion, I was National Era, in order that his constituents upon Mr. CHASE. I apprehend it is the duty of the a false representative of that party in the memor the Connecticut Reserve may have the opportunity Chair, whenever any Senator calls for a division able gubernatorial campaign of 1848. But now I of perusing it. They have a strong ailection for upon any question, to have it. That application am enabled to comprehend the Senator. The In me in that region. (Laughter.) is not to be limited to the mere ascertainment of dependent Democratic party! Sir, there never Mr. CHASE. The honorable Senator from the existence of a majority in favor of any propo has been any other party, known as the Demo- i California has shown his regard to the State of sition. It requires a majority to carry a proposi- || cratic party, but the Independent Democratic par Ohio in one mode; I have shown mine in another. tion. It requires one fifth of the Senators present ty—a party that was founded upon principles, I was not born in Ohio. I went to the State in my to entitle the Senator who demands them to the principles which they believed to be inseparably boyhood, from New Hampshire. I identified yeas and nays.

connected with the prosperity and happiness of my fortune with those of her people. I have witThe PRESIDING OFFICER. The opinion the country. It was always in lependent, because nessed, and so far as lay in my power, have conof the Chair is, that upon any question which re it sought to stand aloof from all factions and all tributed to her development and growth. She has quires a quorum to act upon it, it requires one fifth cliques, and to look with an eye alone to the well become a great State. lam proud to be numbered of a quorum to order the yeas and nays; upon a fare and happiness of the whole people—a party among her sons. Her honor and prosperity are question which does not require a quorum to de who have labored from the beginning to perpetu- || very dear to me. The Senator from California cide it, as to adjourn from day to day, one fifth of ate the Union by securing to each section of the was born in the State; but he left it in the prime the Senators present can order them.

Confederacy the undisturbed enjoyment of its con of his manhood, and became a citizen of California. The question being taken on the amendment, | stitutional rights—a party who are content with He became a citizen of the State by accident-I there were, on a division-ayes 2, noes 24; no the Constitution given them by their fathers. by choice. I abide—he has departed. Departing, quorum voting.

If the Democracy of that great State have be he left behind him many who regret his absence. Mr. RUSK. I hope the Sergeant-at-Arms will come abolitionized; if they have abandoned the safe His regrets on account of separation are probably be directed to request the attendance of absent and sound constitutional principles which they so mitigated by the reflection that he is no longer in Senators. I do not like to see a thing defeated in zealously sustained in the olden times; if they have any degree responsible for the action of * that

thrown ihemselves into the arms of a miserable | abolition State." Mr. CHASE. I am sorry that the Senator faction, then the Senator from Ohio may claim to Mr. President, the honorable Senator has said from Texas does not like to see this thing de- || be their true representative. But, sir, such is not that the publication of these debates in the National feated in this way; but this resolution is supported the fact, and therefore it was that I affirmed that he || Era, would be" casting pearls before swine." The upon the ground of placing information before was not the representative of any portion of the honorable Senator seems to be learned in Scrippeople who need to be enlightened by Democratic Democracy of that State which I regard as sound. ture. He has studied it at all events so far as to speeches. Now, I only say that if this is the real | In sustaining the Abolition organ he surely does | be able to make a quotation; but I submit to the ground of the resolution, consistency requires the not represent them. I regard him as the 'expo- | candid judgment of the Senator, whether, in point selection of the paper which has the greatest num nent of a faction. I regard him as belonging of fact, and so far as their intercourse with gentleber of readers, and that paper is the National Era. to a clique--to a faction that has been organized men here or elsewhere is concerned, the readers The resolution is also sustained upon the ground for the purpose of destroying the peace and tran of the Era are more entitled to that designation of courtesy to a minority. Now, undoubtedly the quillity of the Union; and if they succeed in carry than the readers of other papers, which I will not readers of the Era, I mean of course those who ing out their measures, the result must be the in name. The readers of the Era are very numeraccept the political faith advocated by it, are in a evitable dissolution of the Government. I have ous-perhaps not less than a hundred thousand. minority. Possibly, at the present moment they been provoked, I grant I have been provoked, be- They constitute a pretty large proportion of the are in a smaller minority than the Whigs. cause he comes here and claims to be the repre- | thinking men and women of the country. They A SENATOR. Are you sure?

sentative of the Democracy of my native Siate, are independent in their judgments—not apt to Mr. CHASE. I rather think so. (Laughter.] with which I was so long identified previous to follow leaders, unless they know who they are There has not been a count since the late election, my removal to the Pacific. That he should claim and where they are going. They form their own and I cannot be absolutely certain. We are in- | to be the representative of that Democracy, that opinions; and what is most wonderful, they adhere creasing, and the Whigs are decreasing. (Laugh- | he should claim that the views which he enter to them in a minority, just as firmly as when in a ter.) If, then, the argument of courtesy to a tains upon all these political questions are the sen majority. It is this peculiar trait of fixed adhesion minority is good, why not extend it to that mi timents of those with whom I have spent nearly to their principles, which some persons, who desire nority which is represented by my friend from the whole of my life, and with whom I have bai- || nothing so much as to be in the majority, and dread Massachusetts (Mr. Sumner) and myself? I ap tled in the fiercest contests known in the history nothing so much as to be in a minority, call fanatpeal to the magnanimity of the Senator from Tex- of any State, has provoked me I admit. I have icism.

I know his generosity; I know his fairness. not lost my temper however, for I claim to be a My friend from California and I have also difI do not see how he can gainsay this practical ap good-natured man and not easily moved. I have ferent reasons for our different degrees of attachplication of his own prir.ciples which I commend endured this with a good deal of philosophy. I ment to Ohio. He ran for Governor; he ran well; to him. I hope he will reconsider his position have sometimes felt myself called upon to speak, but he was beaten. I was a candidate for Senator, and award to the liberal, growing, independent because I was the only native of Ohio upon the and was elected. Democratic minority the same courtesy which he floor of the Senate; and if I could not be allowed Notwithstanding my election he denies my right is so ready to extend to our Whig friends. to vindicate her reputation from what I considered to represent the Democracy of the State. Now, I

Mr. WELLER. It seems to me that the Sen- | the foulest aspersions, I could not tell to whom she have never claimed to represent, in a strict party ator from Ohio has given a new name to the old would look for it. I repudiate now publicly the sense, that great and powerful organization which

idea that the Senator from Ohio represents that we know at home as ihe Old Line Democracy. I know that the party to which he alluded is the portion of the party with which I was connected have acted with it when I could do so consistently Abolition party. He designates it as the Inde when I was a resident of that State. He may be with my known principles; but I have never abanpendent Democratic party! I know of no such the true and faithful representative of what is doned my position as an Independent Democrat. organization. And as to the Abolitionists, it is usually known as the Connecticut Reserve in Ohio. I happen, however, to be the only representative utterly impossible by the publication of any de- | It is the hot-bed of Abolitionism, and the hardest the Democracy of Ohio has in this Chamber; and bates here to change the minds of the readers of | place any democratic christian ever went into. I will say, with whatever zeal and energy and the National Era. It would be casting "pearls

(Laughter.] They are a peculiar people, a very fidelity the Senator from California has representbefore swine.' Like Ephraim of old, they are

remarkable people; and therefore I am free to ad- ed his constituents, he has not exceeded my devo"joined to their idols. We had better, “Yet them alone.” (Laughter.] 1

are differences of opinion in Ohio. To some my posed to give any consequence or

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of the Senator from California. I do not think calling them Abolitionists, it will do no harm. orable bargain when a great party gets down upon them the less sound on that account. They are Mere names are of little consequence. Gentlemen its knees to some faction, and agrees to parcel out mine-the result of my own examination and my may call me an Abolitionist if they choose, and I the offices. It was indeed humiliating to see a own reflection. I am ready to defend them when- | will promise not to be at all angry. The name great party placed in this position. They were ever assailed, wherever questioned.

would simply identify me in sentiment and opin- compelled, therefore, to go over to these three or The Senator has referred to some remarks of ion with some of the greatest and best men which four who were adhering to the Senator from Ohio. mine made lately in Executive session. I do not ever lived, both of our own and other lands. It | It was by a combination, an unhallowed combicomplain of this. What I say in Executive ses need not at all surprise gentlemen if that very nation between the Democracy of that day and sion I am willing to have repeated anywhere. But name which they apply as a brand of reproach, || the Free-Soilers that elevated ihe Senator to the then, as now, instead of claiming to represent the should become, at no distant day, a crown of place he now holds in this Chamber. If that be organization known as the Old Line Democracy of honor. I prefer, however, to designate the po a matter for my friend to boast of, while he re Ohio, I distinctly disclaimed all right to speak for litical organization of the opponents of slavery minds me of my defeat, he is entitled to all the it as a member of the party, because while I sym- extension and nationalized slavery by the name glory resulting from it. By such means I too pathized with the vast majority of those fellow which they assume for themselves. They will could have succeeded. One word of conciliation citizens of mine in all their generous devotion to not find it difficult to establish their title to the to the Abolitionists, and I would have been Gorthe union of these States, while I rejected as they name of Democrats, by any test which does re ernor. I was beaten, but not disgraced. In the did many of the doctrines and opinions promul- | solve Democracy into a blind and servile adherence || last campaign in Ohio he attached his fortunes to gated at Baltimore as anti-Democratic and anti to organization without regard to principles. Here John P. Hale, and sustained him and his political progressive, I did not feel myself at liberty to go sit around me gentlemen who call themselves | platform. He utterly “repudiated and spii upon” with them in support of the nominees of the Con- | Democrats and representatives of the Democratic the Baltimore platform. He could not support vention. I claimed for the faith and opinions of party of the country. I do not challenge their | General Pierce, because he was nominated upon a Ohio all the respect and all the deference which title to the name or character. I find myself gen- platform which, in his judgment, destroyed all is accorded to the faith and opinions of Vir- || erally voting with a majority of them; but how those principles which were dear to the Abolition ginia; and I refused to support candidates nomin very wide are their diversities of opinion! There is heart. How many votes were cast along with that ated upon a platform constructed as if in the very hardly a question upon which they do not differ. | Senator in Ohio?' Some thirty thousand. In the wantonness of contempt for the settled convictions There is perhaps no question upon which I do meanwhile the great Democratic party of that State of the people of my State, and declared to be such not vote with the majority of them as often as any recorded their votes in favor of General Pierce, by successive Democratic Conventions for the last one of themselves. Even upon that question thereby ratifying, confirming, and sanctioning the five years. If voting for Convention nominees is which seems to rise up everywhere with a sort of Baltimore platform. _Does he represent the Deall that is necessary to make a Democrat; if De- || omnipresence, challenging investigation and solu- | mocracy of Ohio: The Democracy of Ohio are mocracy is nothing more than unreasoning and tion, how little agreement is there! Sir, there is content to take General Pierce with his principles unreasonable devotion to organization without re no question of principle, there is no measure of as avowed by the Baltimore Convention; but the gard to principles or measures, I certainly make policy upon which the Senators who compose the Senator utterly repudiates that, and that portion no pretension to the name or character. But, sir, if || Democratic majority in this Chamber are unani- l of the people backing him in his repudiation were holding in deep reverence and with earnest faith the mous. They agree absolutely in nothing except thirty thousand, while the majority for General old maxims of Democracy; if belief with Jefferson in supporting the same candidates for President | Pierce were, in the whole State, some eighteen that all men are created equal, and are entitled to and Vice President, in other words, the same dis- || thousand or twenty thousand. Therefore I had equal rights; if an honest recognition of the duty of pensers of the vast patronage of the Government. a right to assume that the Senator from Ohio did carrying out these fundamental principles into their | And has it come to this, that in the nineteenth cen not represent the wishes of the people there, when practical application, resolutely and without re tury, and past its noon, that a party organization some ihree hundred and fifty thousand votes were serve; if fearless advocacy of economy and reform is maintained upon the sole ground of organiza cast in that campaign, and the whole number who of abuses at home, and generous sympathy with tion and the support of convention nominations, | acted with the Senator was only thirty thousand. the oppressed abroad; if earnest endeavors to ad and not by its recognition of any great universal | Therefore he represents thirty thousand, a large vance our country upon the line marked out by principles applicable to the solution of all ques- | portion of whom are in the Connecticut Reserve. our forefathers to the great destiny which fidelity || lions, and boldly applied in the solution of all? || He is the exponent of their principles, and not the to American principles will assuredly sgcure for Sir, you may depend upon it that if this be so, principles of the Democracy. He directed all his her; if devotion to the Constitution and the union the dead level of political stagnation has been efforts to defeat General Pierce; he denounced the of the States; if these elements make a Democrat, || reached, and that the great Democratic party which sentiments of the Convention which nominated I claim to be as good a Democrat as any I see was organized under Jackson, is hastening to its him, and now he claims to represent the Democupon this floor. I shun no scrutiny of my polit- | decay and dissolution. The very moment the racy of Ohio! is not such a claim absolutely ical opinions or acts. I am quite willing to have || people become convinced that a great permanent ridículous ? my title to the appellation of Democrat compared || comprehensive principle does not lie at the base of The Senator has said, too, that the Democratic with that of any other Senator. I should not be your action, animating, controlling, and directing party at the present session have indorsed some surprised if some who challenge my Democracy, it all, you will lose the confidence of the people; and of the unrecanting Free-Soilers of 1848. When were to come out upon such a comparison a good when the confidence of the people is gone, the | The Democratic party, with that manliness and way behind me. date of dissolution will not be distant.

independence which I trust will always characterThe Senator from California tells us that the Mr. WELLER. The Senator from Ohio is | ize them, avowed their principles through the Balparty represented by the National Era is the A boli. very much mistaken in supposing that I cherish timore Convention to the world: they desired no tion party, and that this party is vainly endeavor any unkind feelings towards his constituents, be man to take their candidate; they sought no coning to appropriate the name of Democracy. Why, cause of my having been a defeated candidate for cealment; they desired no one to take their candiMr. President, it is the party which was organ- Governor in 1848. The history of that campaign date with generous confidence"-without the ized at Buffalo in 1848. The President has ap- || is well known to the country: It was the only platform. They proclaimed their principles; they pointed a number of gentlemen who were of this occasion in that State when the Abolition party / inscribed them upon their banner; they placed that party in 1848, to high stations, and the Senate has did not unite upon a candidate of their own. 1 || banner in the hands of their candidate; they were manifested its accustomed liberality and good was so odious to them and their principles, that 80 plainly written, that he who runs might read, sense by confirming these nominations. I do not they united upon my opponent, and with the union and a wayfaring man, though an Abolitionist, need know that these gentlemen have recanted anything of the Abolitionists and the Whig party they beat not err therein. (Laughter.] This was fair and they said in 1848. It is true that the gentlemen me some three hundred votes out of a popular vote | manly upon our part. No man was called upon thus nominated and thus indorsed, resumed their of three hundred thousand. If I had remained at to sustain our candidate, unless he cordially, sinpositions last year within party lines, and have home and concealed my views upon the “ Wilmot cerely, and heartily responded to the principles voted for the nominees of the Baltimore Conven- || proviso” from the public eye, I should have suc- incorporated in the platform. A very large mation. But, I repeat, they have not recanted their ceeded beyond all doubt. This I well knew at jority of the people whom the Senator pretends to opinions of 1848. Now, the party, which was the time, but I traversed the whole State and pro- represent, did respond to them; and all of those organized in that year has ever since been known || claimed my opinions fully and freely everywhere, men who were confirmed by the Senate of the as the Free Democracy or the Independent De- || preferring defeat to a dishonorable victory. i United States who went with the Free-Soil party mocracy. For one, I like the last designation would scorn to hold any office by concealing my in 1848, came in at that contest, and gave in their best, because it expresses best my idea of the principles from the people.

adhesion to our principles by voting for our canorganization; but I care little which is used. Cer But the Senator says that that election which | didate; and all that we have said, therefore, in the tain it is that by one or the other the party has resulted in my defeat placed him in the Senate. I ratification of the nominations alluded to, is that always been distinguished in the resolves of its know exactly how he was elected, and I should those who came back, and in good faith subscribed public meetings and the proceedings of its conven have supposed he would scarcely boast of such a to our principles and supported our candidate, tion. The great body of voters who compose this victory." I understand the history of that election. were entitled to a share of the Federal patronage. organization, and whose numbers increase from The Senator had some three or four Abolition | There has been no man confirmed who would dare day to day, claim to be Democrats, because they friends in the Legislature who held the balance of to avow to the world the political principles which hold in good faith all the cardinal maxims of the power between the Whig and Democratic parties; | actuate the Senator from Ohio. Has an AboDemocratic faith, and insist on their impartial ap- | they had the power to control the action of the litionist been confirmed—any of those who united plication to all questions. They call themselves | Legislature; they exercised it. They required an with him in the last contest? Not one of them. Independent Democrats, because they reject the agreement as to the officers to be selected before Has any of them been sent in by the President of dictation of the slave power. Courtesy and fair an election for Senator could be had. They re the United States ? No, sir; and they never will. ness, one would think, require that they be called || quired them to enter into a bargain; and if he will The President has no sympathies with the faction by the name under which they choose to be known. allow me to say—and I say it with all proper re to which the Senator belongs. If Senators, however, think proper to persist in spect-a dishonorable bargain; for it is a dishon The Senator says that this Administration has

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But we know it is made, and we know too that it falo platform of 1848. Sir, we judge them by The Senator from California has thought proper is the most common thing in the world, when two their action. When they support our candidate to refer to the local politics of my State, and to parties, or two sections of one party, having some apd our principles fairly and manfully, we have a the events which resulted in my election to the common objects, unite to form a majority over a right to assume that they have seen the error of seat which I now hold. And now let me say to third party hostile to these objects, to divide the their ways, and have come back into the Demo him, and to all who concern themselves in these offices which that majority has to fill between the cratic party. They could not support General things, that so far as I have had any share in any sections which compose it

. Now, it so happened Pierce without indorsing the principles upon political action in Ohio, I stand ready to meet the that in the Legislature of Ohio, in 1848_'49, no which he was nominated. To proscribe a class fullest and the most searching scrutiny. Sir, I party had a majority; the Independent Democrats because of their offenses of 1848, would be mani have no political secrets. My public life has been

were,

it is true, few in number; but the Old Line festly unjust. Wise men change their opinions; so plain, so open, that he who runs may read its Democrats, though more numerous, were not nufools never do.

record. No man can truthfully say that I have merous enough to effect anything by themselves. Now, Mr. President, i did not desire to have

ever deviated, upon any occasion or under any Under these circumstances that which was most said anything in this discussion. I should not influence, by the breadth of a hair, from the path natural took place—the Independents and Old Line have been provoked to enter into it but for the which fidelity to my long.cherished principles re Democrats united. But there was—and I am proud repeated remarks of the Senator from Ohio, to the quired me to pursue. li is true that I have acted to say it-no sacrifice of principle on either side. effect that he represents the Democracy of that in a minority. The time has been when I have The Old Line Democrats voted for me because they State. With all respect to him, I claim that I stood almost alone. Some years ago, when I first knew me to be sound in the Democratic faith, am a much better representative than he is. In promulgated those political principles which have though independent in party action. The Indethe last canvass in that State, it gave a large ma ever since determined my action, I found few pendent Democrats voted for Old Line nominees for jority for the man whom I voted for, and who sympathizers or supporters. But I knew these supreme judges, who, though they differed from stood upon the principles I avowed; therefore I principles to be sound. I believed them to be im them in party action, yet shared their general ophave a right to claim to be a better representative portant; and I did not shrink from their defense then position to the extension and nationalization of of the Democracy of that State than he is. When any more than I shrink from it now when their | slavery. Let the Senator make all he can of this. I come to analyze principles I am not willing to abstract correctness is generally admitted, and I see nothing in it to lament. I can appeal confiregard him as anything else than an Abolitionist. their practical application is resolutely demanded dently to my whole course here to justify the conI have so regarded him from the beginning. I by tens of thousands of voters at the ballot-box. fidence reposed in me. Nothing has transpired in have known him in olden times. I have known And let me say to gentlemen that they are indul the history of either of the eminent gentlemen him when he was canvassing the State in a hope ging a vain dream if they fancy that these princi- elected to other offices at the same time, to make less minority, as he always will be in Ohio, for ples are to die out of the hearts of the people. Independent Democrats regret the votes they cast there is a vast amount of intelligence there, par. They will go on conquering and to conquer. You for them. Many members of the Legislature who ticularly off the Connecticut Reserve. (Laughier.) may depend upon it that the faith of freedom is participated in these elections have since received There will always be a majority there against the neither dead nor dying. You may depend upon distinguished proofs of the public confidence; and principles he avows; and you will never find in it that it has lost nothing of that vital energy which a succession of Democratic victories instead of the that goodly State a majority who will be willing has already overcome so many prejudices and succession of defeats which had for years marked to indorse the sentiments which have been often- changed so many convictions. The advocates of the previous history of the Democratic party, has times expressed here upon a particular question that faith shrink from no discussion. They desire attested the wisdom of the Old Line Democrats by the Senator who is accidentally here now. it rather. They court investigation. They chal who recommended, or adopted, or approved the

Mr. President, I have said perhaps more on this lenge scrutiny. They know that the more their union. subject than I ought to have said, but there are principles and measures are examined and scru Sir, I do not so highly value a seat here that I particular reasons why I have felt myself called iinized the more they will commend themselves not would sacrifice one jot or little of my personal inupon to vindicate the character, and the honor, only to the warm and generous affections, but to dependence to obtain or to retain it. "Nor would and the truth of the Democracy of Ohio. I owe the sober and deliberate judgments of the Amer- | I surrender any political principle to come or to them a deep debt of gratitude for the manly firmican people.

remain here. The prophecy of the Senator from ness with which they sustained me in one of the And now, sir, let me further say that there is California may be fulfilled. It is very possible fiercest battles ever fought. Although I have nothing in the circumstances of my election which that I may not be reëlected. I shall have as little found a home in a far distant land, I can never I desire to withdraw from scrutiny here or else to regret in that event as any man. I am entirely forget the brave and gallant spirits who gathered where. The Senator from California may, if he willing, whenever the people of my Siate indicate around me in 1848. I never can desert them. sees fit, stigmatize the action of the Old Line Demo that such is their pleasure, to retire from the scene.

In a social point of view, I should be sorry, sir, cratic members of the Ohio Legislature-and every I have said on another occasion, and to my Demoto lose the Senator from Ohio; but unless he aban one of whom, by the way, had just before sup cratic constituents, that a private is not less acdons his errors and renounces his heresies, his ported him for Governor—as dishonorable. I never ceptable to me than a public station. I said it political days are numbered. It is not probable thought it so. There happen to be two Demo sincerely and honestly. I have ever preferredthat a contingency will ever occur again when a cratic parties in my Slate. The political platforms and all the acts of all my life will prove it-action great political party will be willing to throw itself of both are substantially the same; but one insists with a minority in defense of principles, to action into the hands of a few Abolitionists, and sacrifice upon the national recognition and adoption of its with a majority, and to any position which a maprinciple in order to obtain place. It is not often principles as the condition of support io national jority can confer, in disregard of principles. that such things occur, and iherefore I count with nominees; the other has hitherto supported na I have said that I repres ont the true sentiments a good deal of certainty upon the fact that, in two tional nominees without any such condition. The of the people of Ohio. I have never said that I years from this time, the place that now knows former is known as the Independent or Free De represent a majority party organization. The him will know him no more forever. (Laughter.] || mocracy; the latter as the Old Line Democracy; and Senator from California tells us that he has been He will go into the shades of private life, where he many who act in the Old Line hold the State plat provoked by my claim to represent that Democan have an opportunity of reflecting upon the form very cheap, and sympathize strongly with cratic party in Ohio which voted for him as Goverrors of his past life. He will have ample time those who are known in other States as Hunkers; ernor. I have never made any such claim Jf he to show his philanthropy by devising some plan there are more, however, with whom the princi has been provoked, he has been provoked without to improve the moral and political condition of our | ples of the State platform are a cherished faith, and occasion.' I have never assumed any other posiblack population. His philanthropy takes in the who of course sympathize more strongly with tion than that which I take now. I represent whole family of man, black and white, and in re the Independent Democracy. Some two years Ohio—the people--not a mere party organization. tirement he may be able to do something to im ago, when no national election was pending, when I have no doubt at all that my political principles mortalize his name. I am sure his heart is right, the Old Line Democracy was in opposition to the are the political principles of a large majority of but his head is awfully turned. There is evidently | National Administration, and of course not respon that people, however their expression may be resomething wrong in that region. (Laughter.) He sible for any proslavery action, many of the Inde- || strained or modified by party policy. There is is obstinate; and having started wrong, the further pendent Democrats, myself among them, sup not, for example, a sentence in the whole platform he goes the worse it is. If he will repent in sack- ported the Old Line nominations. At this election, of the Old Line Democracy from which I'dissent. cloth and ashes, if he will renounce his errors, ihe Old Line ticket was elected by a large majority I have maintained its principles, and have defendand promise to walk for the future in the path of over all opposition. Upon no other occasion, for | ed its policy every time I have addressed my conDemocracy and truth, we will allow him to take many years, has the Old Line State ticket received stituents in whatever part of the State. I shall a place amongst us. I have some hopes of him, an absolute majority.

continue to do so. All I ask of the Old Line Defor

A Senator. How was it at the last presiden- || mocracy of Ohio is to carry out inflexibly and “ While the lamp holds out to burn, tial election?

without reserve the principles of their platform. The vilest sinner may return." '[Laughter.]

Mr. CHASE. The Independent Democrats | The chief, if not the only point of difference beMr. CHASE. This discussion, so far as it has unanimously supported their own ticket, and the tween me and them, is that I cannot consent, for assumed a personal character, is certainly not of Baltimore nominees lacked fifteen thousand votes the sake of party union and a party victory, to my seeking. I have no disposition, however, to of an absolute majority. Well, sir, there has support national candidates who reject those prinshun any responsibility which it may impose. It been in New York' a union of the Barnburnersciples—the nominees of a Convention who tramcommenced in an effort to give a portion of the and Hunkers; and no small pains is taken at the ple upon and spurn them. public patronage to the National Intelligencer, for other end of the Avenue, and at this, to cement I know just as well as the Senator from Californo reason under the sun, that I can see, except to

and consolidate this union. We have witnessed | nia that those who concur in the support of candishow the magnanimity of the majority a pretty careful distribution and adjustment of the dates nominated upon a platform, are generally

supposed to unite in approbation of it. But I ity. It seems to terminate in a

monize these discordant elements by the potent || know also, and the Senator knows just as well as Mon

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