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evidence respect her seeing him at speaks to, separate from the opinion, Blackheath, the Christmas before she or judgement, which she forins upon had seen him at East Cliff. Sbe says, them. -I mean not to speak disreit was the Christmas after Mr Aus- spectfully, or slightingly, of Mrs tin's child came, consequently the Lisle's opinion, or express myself as Christmas 1802-3-He used to come in any degree indifferent to it. But to dine there; she says, he always whatever there was which she obwent away in her presence, and she served in my conduct, that did not had no reason to think he staid after become a married woman, that " was the Ladies retired. He lodged on only like a woman who liked flinithe Heath at that time ; his ship was ing,” and “ only a flirting conduct.” fitting up at Deptford; he came to -I am convinced your Majesty must dinner three or four times a-week, or be satisfied that it must have been more. --She supposes he might be far distant from affording any evialone with the Princess, but that she dence of crime, of vice, or of inde. was in the habit of seeing gentlemen cency, as it passed openly in the and tradesmen without her being company of my Ladies, of whom Mrs. present. She (Mrs Lisle) has seen Lisle herself was one. him at luncheon and dinner both. The facts she states are, that CapThe boys (two boys) came with him tain Manby came very frequently to two or three times, but not to dinner. my house ; that he dined there three Captain Manby always sat next the or four times a week in the latter end Princess at dinner. The constant of the year 1802 ; that be sat next to company were Mrs and Miss Fitze me at dinner; and that my conversageraid, and herself—all retired with tion after dinner, in the evening, used the Princess, and sat in the same to be with Captain Manby, separate room. Captain Manby generally re. from my Ladies. These are the tired about eleven, and sat with us facts : and is it upon them that my all till then. Captain Manby and character, I will not say, is to be the Princess used, when we were to taken away, but is to be affected? gether, to be speaking together se Captain Manby had, in the auparately, but not in a room alone. tumn of the same year, been introHe was a person with whom the duced to me by Lady Townshend, Princess appeared to have greater when I was upon a visit to her at pleasure in talking than with her La Rainhain. I think he came there ondies. Her Royal Highness behaved ly the day before I left it. He was to him only as any woman would a naval officer, as I understood, and who likes flirting. She (Mrs Lisle)
She (Mrs Lisle) as I still believe, of great merit. would not have thought any married What little expence, in the way of woman would have behaved properly, charity, I am able to afford, I am who behaved as Her Royal Highness best pleased to dedicate to the educa. did to Captain Manby. She can't tion of the children of poor,
but hon. say whether the Princess was attache est persons; and I giost generally <d to Captain Manby, only that it bring them up to the service of the was a flirting conduct.---She never Navy. I had at that time two boys saw any gallantries, as kissing her at school, whom I thought of an age band, or the like."
fit to be put to sea. I desired Lady I have cautiously stated the whole Townshend to prevail upon Captajn of Mrs Lisle's evidence upon this Manby to lake them. He consent, part of the case ; and I am sure your ed to it, and of course I was obliged Majesty, in reading it, will not fail to kee, the facts, which Mirs Lise About this time, or shortly after.
Fards, he was appointed to the Afri- Fitzgerald, and herself, Mrs Lisle." caine, a ship which was fitting up at The only gentleman, the only person Deptford. To be near his ship, of the whole party who was not of as I understood and believe, he took my own family, was Captain Manby; lodgings at Blackheath : and as to the and his sitting next to me, under sucia mere fact of his being so frequently circumstances, I should apprehend at my house, -his intimacy and could not possibly afford any ivferfriendship with Lord and Lady ence of any kind. In the evening Townshend, which of itself was as- we were never alone. The whole surance to me of his respectability company sat together ; nay, even as and character-my pleasure in shew- to his being with me alone of a morning my respect to them, by notice ing, Mrs Lisle seems to know nothing and attention to a friend of theirs of the fact, but from a conjecture his undertaking the care of my chari- founded upon her knowledge of my ty boys, -and his accidental residence known usual habit, with respect to at Blackheath, will, I shwuld trust, seeing gentlemen who might call upnot unreasonably account for it. I on me. And the very foundation of have a similar account likewise to her conjecture demonstrates that this give of paying for the linen furniture circumstance can no evidence of with which his cabin was furnished. any thing particular with regard to Wishing to make him some return Captain Manby. for bis trouble with the boys, I desi- As to my conversing with Captain red that I might choose the pattern of Manby separately, I do not underhis furniture. I not only chose it, stand Mrs Lisle as meaning to speak but had it sent to him, and paid the to the state of the conversation uninbill z finding, however, that it did not terruptedly, during the whole of any come to more than about twenty of the several evenings when Captain pounds, I thought it a shabby present, Manby was with me ; if I did so unand therefore added some trifling pre- derstand her, I should certainly most sent of plate. So I have frequently confidently assert that she was not done, and I hope without offence may correct. That in the course of the be permitted to do again to any Cap- evening, as the ladies were working, tain on whom I impose such trouble. reading, or otherwise amusing themSir Samuel Hood has now two of my selves, the conversation was sometimes charity boys with him; and I have more and sometimes less general; and presented him with a silver Epergne. that they sometimes took more, someI should be ashamed to notice such times less part in it ;-tbat frequentthings, but your Majesty perceives, ly it was between Captain Manby that they are made the subject of in. and myself alone ;-and that, when quiry from Mrs Fitzgerald, and Mr we were all together, we two miglit Sukeman, and I was desirous that frequently be the only persons not they should not appear to be particu- otherwise engaged, and therefore be lar in the case of Captain Manby. justly said to be speaking together se
But to return to Mrs Lisle's exa- parately. Besides, Captain Manby mination. Mrs Lisle says, that Cap- has been round the world with Captain Manby, when he dined with me, tain Vancouvre. I have locked over sat next to me at dinner. Before prints in books of voyages with him ; any inference is drawn from that fact, he has explained them to me; the laI am sure your Majesty will observe, dies may or may not have been look. that, in the next line of Mrs Lisle's ing over them at the same time ; they examination, she says “that the con- may have been engaged with their staat coinpany was Mrs and Miss own ainusements. Here, again, we
may be said to have been conversing coming a married woman; she care separately, and consequently that Mrs not say whether I was attached to Lisle, in this sense, is perfectly justi- Captain Manby or not; it was only tied in saying that " I used to con a flirting conduct."- Now, Sire, I verse separaiely with Captain Man. must here again most seriously comby," I have not the least difficulty in plain that the Commissioners slıould admitiiny. But have l net again have called for, or received, and much reason to complain that this expression more reported, in this manner, the of Mrs Lisle's was not more sifted, opinion and judgment of Mrs Lisle but left in a manner calculated to raise upon my conduct. Your Majesty's an impression that this separate con warrant purports to authorise them to versation was studiously sought for, collect the evidence, and not the opiwas constant, uniform, and uninter- nion of others; and to report it, with rupted, thoogh it by no meanis asserts their own judgment, surely, and not any such thing? But whether I usedal. Mrs Lisle's. M:s Lisie's judgment ways so to converse with him; ór gene was formed upon those facts wbich raily, or only sometimes, or for what she stated to ihe Commissioners, or proportien of the evening I used to be upon other facts.
If upon those she so engaged, is left unasked and unes. stated, the Commissioners, and your plained. Have I not likewise just Majesty, are as well able to form the Berson to complain, that though Mrs judgment upon them as she was. If Lisle states that Mrs Hiizgerald and upon other facts, the Commissioners Miss fitzgerald were always of the should have heard what those other party, they are not both examined to facts were, and upon them have form. these circumstances ? But Miss Tize ed and reported their judgment. gerald is not examined at all; and I am aware, iudeed, that if I were Als Fitzgerald, though examined, to argue that ile facts which Mrs and examined 100 with respect to Lisle states afford the explanation Captain Manby, does not appear to of what she means by only have had a single question put to her flirting conduct," and by “behawith respect to any thing which pas- viour unbecoining a married woman," sed concerning liiin at Montagne namely, “ that it consisted in having Jlouse. May I not therefore com the same gentleman to dine with me plain that ihe examination, leaving three or four times a week ;- letting ihe generality of Mrs Lisle's expres- him sit next me at dinner, when there sion unexplained by herself, and the were no other strangers in company ; scenes to which it relates unexamined -conversing with him separately, into, by calling the other persons who and appearing to prefer his conversa. were present, is leaving it precisely tion to that of the ladies, it would in that state which is beiter calcula be observed, probably, that this way red to raise a suspicion, than to ascer not all; that there was always a cer. tain the truth?
tain indescribable something in manBut I am persuaded that the un ner, which gave the character to confavourable impression which is most duct, and must have entered mainly likely to be made by Mrs Lisle's ex into such a judgment as Mrs Lisla amination, is not by her evidence to has here pronounced. the facts, but by her opinion upon To a certain extent I should be them. "I appeared," she says, “to obliged to agree to this; but if I am like the conversation of Captain to have any prejudice from this obser. . Manby better than that of my ladies. vation ; if it is to give a weight and I behaved to him only as a woman who authority to Mrs Lisle's judgment, likes fisting ; my conduct was unbe. let me lave the advantage of it ako.
If it justifies the conclusion that Mrs only flirting conduct-what degree of Lisle's censure upon my conduct is impropriety of conduct she would right, it requires also that equal cre- describe by it, it is extremely difficult, dit should be given to the qualifica with any precision, to ascertain. cation, the liinit, and the restriction, How many women are there, most which she herself puts upon that cen- virtuous, most truly modest, incapasure. Mrs Lisle, seeing all the facts ble of any thing impure, vicious, or which she relates, and observing much immoral, in deed or thought, who, of manner, which perhaps she could not from greater vivacity of spirits, from describe, limits the expression “ flirt less natural reserve, from that want ing conduct,” by calling it “ Airte of caution, which the very consciousing," and says (upon having the ness of innocence betrays them into), question asked to her, no doubt, conduct themselves
in a manner, whether from the whole she could which a woman of a graver character, collect that I was attached to Captain of more reserved disposition, but not Manby) says, “ she could not say with one particle of superior virtue, whether I was altached to him, my thinks tuo incautious, too unreserved, conduct was not of a nature that pro- too familiar; and which, if forced upved any attachment to him, it was on her oath to give her opinion upon only a flirting conduct.” Unjust, it, she might feel herself, as an honest therefore, as I think it, that any such woman, bound to say, in that opinion, question should have been put to Mrs was flirting? Lisle, or that her judgment should But whatever sense Mrs Lisle an. have been taken at all; yet what I nexes to the word “flirting,” it is fear from it, as pressing with peculiar evident, as I said before, that she canhardship upon me, is, that though not mean any thing criminal, vicious, it is Mrs Lisle's final and ultimate or indecent, or any thing with the judgment upon the whole of my con- least shade of deeper impropriety than duct, yet, when delivered to the Com. what is necessarily expressed in the missioners and your Majesty, it be. word “ firting.” She never would comes evidence which, connected with have added, as she does in both inall facts on which Mrs Lisle had form- stances, that it was only dirting ; if ed it, may lead to still further and she had thought it of a quality to be more unfavourable conclusions, in the recorded in a formal Report, amongst minds of those who are afterwards to circumstances which must occasion judge upon it ;-that her judgment the most unfavourable interpretations, will be the foundation of other judg- and which deserved the most serious ments against me, much severer than consideration of your Majesty. To her own; and that though she evi- use it so, I am sure your Majesty must dently limits her opinion, and by say- see, is to press it far beyond theing “ ONLY flirting,” impliedly nega- meaning which she would assign to it tives it as affording any indicalion herself. of any thing more improper, while And as I have admitted that there she proceeds expressly to negative may be much indescribable in the it as affording any proof of attach. manner of doing any thing, so it must medt; yet it may be thought, by be admitted to me that there is much others, to justify their considering it indescribable, and most material also, 13 a species of conduct, which shewed in the manner of saying any thing, an attachment to the man to whom it and in the accent with which it is was addressed ; which, in a married said. The whole context serves much woman, was criminal and wrong. to explain it; and if it is in answer to What Mrs Lisle exactly means by a question, tbe words of that question,
the manner, and the accent in which character. A married woman, living it is asked, are also most material to well and happily with her husband, understand the precise meaning, could not be frequently having one which the expressions are intended to gentleman at her table, with no other convey; and I must lament therefore, company but ladies of her family;-extremely, if my character is to be she could not be spending her evenings affected by the opinion of any witness, frequently in the same society, and that the questions by which that opi. separately conversing with that gennion was drawn from her, were not tleman, unless either with the privi. given too, as well as her answers, and ty and consent of her husband, or by if this inquiry had been prosecuted taking advantage, with some manage. before Your Majesty's Privy Council, ment, of his ignorance and his abthe more solemn and usual course of sence ;--if it was with his privity proceeding there, would, as I am in. and consent, that very circumstance formned, have furnished, or enabled alone would unquestionably alter the me to furnish, Your Majesty with the character of such conduct;--if with questions as well as the answers. management she avoided his knoir
Mrs Lisle, it should also be obser. ledge, that very management would ved, was, at the time of her examina. betray a bad motive. The cases there. tion, under the severe oppression of fore are not parallel ;-lhe illustration having, but a few days before, heard is not just ;-and the question, which of the death of her daughter ;-a called for such an answer from Mrs daughter, who had been happily mar- Lisle, ought not, in candor and fairried, and who had lived happily with ness, to have been put. her husband, in mutual attachment I entreat your Majesty, however, till her death. The very circumstance not to misunderstand me;-) should of her then situation would naturally be ashamed indeed to be suspected of give a graver and severer cast to her pleading any peculiar or unfortunate opinions. When the question was circumstance, in my situation, as an proposed to her, as a general question, excuse for any criminal or indecent (and I presuine it must have been só act. With respect to such acts, put to her) whether my conduct was most unquestionably such circum. such as would become a married wo- stance can make no difference ;-can man, possibly her own daughter's afford no excuse. They must bear conduct, and what she would have their own character of disgrace and expected of her, might present itself infamy, under all circumstances. But to her mind. And I confidently sub. there are acts, which are unbecoming mit to your Majesty's better judg. a married woman, which ought to be ment, that such a general question avoided by her, from an apprehension ought not, in a fair and candid consi- lest they should render her husband underation of my case, to have been put to easy; not because they might give him Mrs Lisle, or any other woman. For, as any reason to distrust her chastity, to my conduct being, or not being, be. her virtue, or her morals, but because coming a married woman ; the same they might wound his feelings, by inconduct, or any thing like it, which dicating a preference to the society of may occur in my case, could not another man, over bis, in a case where occur in the case of a married wo- she had the option of both. But man, who was not living in my un- surely, as to such acts, they must nefortunate situation; or, if it did cessarily bear a very different charac. occur, it must occur under circum- ter, and receive a very different cumstances which must give it, and construction, in a case where, unhapmost deservedly, a very different pily, there can be no such apprehen.