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WARBURTON MS. translated by me as literally as possible some few IV. iv, 31, And worthy Warburton prints cheek, years since from the French original of Dr. Valentin, shameful check it were, to and corrects it to check in the eminent physician at Nancy-who published stand on more mechanic MS. complement.

in France an interesting account of a visit or pile v. ii. 137. You shall Warburton MS. adds (To grimage he made to Jenner, of whom he became an advise me in all for Cleo. Seleucus).

enthusiastic admirer-to his old friend in London, patra.

M. Dubois de Chemant, the surgeon-dentist, should Cymbeline.

be recorded in ‘N. & Q.' Jenner, it may be noted, I. i. 50. To his mistress. As to bis mistre88. III. i, 12There be many There'll be there will

be of apoplexy, at Berkeley, in Gloucestershire, aged

only just previously to its date, died by an attack Cæsarg.

(for there was but one yet
come when Cloten made seventy-four :
this answer). MS, ex-

Nancy, February 5, 1823. planation.

SIR AND OLD FRIEND,-I happen to learn that Dr. III. iv. 138. Imo. Whero Warburton MS. places, Jenner is dead. I had written him twice last summer then?

Where then at the end of to get information upon a fact which interested him. I preceding speech of Pisanio. did as much with Mr. Ring; [but] neither of them mado Hanmer also.

reply. I bave some uneasiness upon the existence of the IV. ii. 47. This youth. Warburton MS. makes latter, who has given me no sign of life for more than

Belarius's speech commence three years, and who was so punctual. I desire to know, at “This youth.” “And first, of what malady Jenner died, and whether it was at shalt be ever" being left Berkley. (To this query is added in the opposite margin

as Imogen's. Heath conj. Ask Mr. Řing,”'apparently by M. de Chemant.] Secondly, IV, ii, 129. For we do For we dof here the law. how many children he leaves, and whether the son that fear the Law ?

I have seen with him bas adopted the same profession. IV. ii, 276, No exorciser No exorciser charm thee! Thirdly, the titles of the works which he has published harm thee!

since that in wbich he announced his discovery of vaccinaIV, ii, 277. Nor no witch. Nor no witchcraft harm tion. I pray you to obtain from some physician well craft charm tbee ! thee !

informed, and who knew bim, replies in writing to these IV. iii, 36. I heard to I had no letter. Mason questione. If Mr. Ring existe, no one better than be letter. conj, also.

has it in his power to answer them. You will bave the V. ii, 1. The heaviness The heaviness of guilt. goodness to then send them for me. Mr. Ring knows and guilt. Collins conj.

the subject which determined me to write to them last V. iii, 72. Or hath more And hath more minis- year, and upon which I desired information. If some one ministers.

ters. Hanmer conj. publishes his eulogy, send it me. How is your health and NORMAN BENNET.

that of your wife ? Ours are passable. We were both at

Paris last summer. I took a journey to Italy in 1820. Trinity College, Cambridge,

which has fortified me and given me embonpoint. I

embarked at Marseilles for Naples; from there I traJUDGE JEFFREYS's HOUSE IN DUKE STREET velled over the Peninsula as far as Turin ; afterwards I (Concluded from p. 244).--I have since looked up travelling so much. I there made the acquaintance of, Mrs. Pitt's petition (No. 47, in vol. Ixxxiii. of the and even travelled with, the youngest son of Lord Spencer Treasury Papers). It merely states that Sir (the Hon. Geo. Spencer (born December 21, 1799), Henry Fane, surreptitiously and unknown to peti-youngest son of Geo. John, the second Earl], who came tioner's husband, obtained a new grant for the to see me here, and who dined at my house (on) return. ground without the park wall from King William, ing to England towards

the end of the autumn of 1820. to the great prejudice, loss, and damage of her packet for Mr. Ring ; I never knew whether he remitted husband and family. This hardship being after it. If Dr. G. Pearson is in London, recall me to his wards represented to the king, he examined into memory: Do not forget, I repeat to you, to be well the matter, and after perusing the Surveyor- informed of all that Jenner published in his life, and General's report, ordered that full satisfaction be to send me note of it. Farewell, my dear Sir. Present to made to her according to the recommendation of your wife my respectful compliments,

and believe in all

the sentiments of affection with which I am very cordially that report, “as will appear at large by the several

Your very obedient servant and friend, papers now lying in the Council office." Peti.

LOUIS VALENTIN, tioner has, however, not received a penny from the

at Nancy. Treasury since the above order was made, and is If you can, in your reply, send me the address of Dr. thereby reduced to the utmost extremity of want Granville, principal editor of the London Medical and and misery. Consequently she applied to the queen you know that an English physician has published the

Physical Journal, you will oblige me doubly. As soon as to consider her hard case and give her relief. The eulogy of Jenner or a notice of bis life in a journal or petition was referred to the Lord High Treasurer. separately, Cor any) memoir whatever, bavo the goodness A minute, bearing date March 3, 1702/3, records to send it to my address, on the first occasion for Paris, bis decision : "There is no pretence for relief from to "M. Thiebaut de Berneaud, Rue des Sts. Pères No.46,

L. L. K.

en face de la Rue Taranne.” ye Queen."

Addressed" To M. Dubois de Chemant, SargeonDR. JENNER.—The following apparently inedited Dentist, No. 2, Frith Street, Soho Square, Loudon.” letter, relating to the “discoverer” of vaccination,

W. I. R. V.

SOPERSTITION AT DUNKIRK. — The following Dictionary, nor have I ever seen it in print before. communication from the correspondent of the But it is as expressive as ashamedness, for which Standard at Dunkirk appeared in that paper of it is substituted.

PAUL BIERLEY. February 27, and is worthy of a place in N. & Q.': “Many superstitions and customs which are rapidly

OLD MORTALITY.'— A propos of the editorial becoming extinct in towns are still rife in French notice of a new edition of Old Mortality,' some Flanders, where, amongst the people, and chiefly the readers may be interested to trace the history of seafaring and agricultural classes, hobgoblins, ghosts, Paterson's descendants, which they can do in sorcerers, and witches are objects of general belief. If Letters to his family,' by Nathaniel Paterson, fact that a few weeks ago a great stir was created in D.D. (Edinburgh, 1874). Dr. Paterson, well known one of the populous streets of this town by the report of in Scotland in his time as the author of The a bogie' having taken up its domicile in a densely. Manse Garden,' was a son of Walter Paterson, the tenanted house; and the intervention of a priest to second son of “Old Mortality," who, like his father, exorcise the spirit' had to be resorted to before the fears of the tenants could be allayed. A well-known was a stone engraver. fishwife has just created quite a small reign of terror on

WILLIAM GEORGE BLACK. account of the belief entertained by her neighbours tbat

12, Sardinia Terrace, Glasgow. she was able to assume the shape of a cat, and carry ill luck to all the houses she visited in this guise. No one Town.-Londoners, when they visit the North will attend a dinner of thirteen guests, and if perchance of England or Lincolnshire, often express astonishsalt is spilled, the author of the mishap must, with a ment at finding a little hamlet, or even two or the sign of the cross. To cross knives or forks is regarded three cottages, called a town. If they knew

the as ominous of impending evil, while turning a chair or a derivation of the word their wonder would

cease. knife is stated to be the forerunner of quarrels. Ou “ The tún is originally the enclosure or ledge, whether meeting an old woman of uncanny appearance, it is of the single farm or of the enclosed village, as the buri deemed prudent, with the fingers, or with the index is the fortified house of the powerful man."-Bishop finger over a stick, to make the sign of the cross, by Stubba's Constitutional Hist. of England,' ed. 1875, which means the effects of the evil eye are averted. vol. i. p. 82. Should the same aged party touch a child, it is inferred that she bas

, by so doing, cast a glamour on it, and the The Revised Version of St. Matthew's Gospel only remedy is at once to run after her and tap her on (chap. x. v. 11) bas "village " where the translathe head. Certain persons are credited with the power tion of 1611 bas town. The change was, in my of sending ill luck to their enemies, and of damaging opinion, a most needless one. The Geneva version quaint beliefs, the custom, very widespread in these parte, and

the translation in common use among Catholics of repairing to the church on Ash Wednesday, and having at the present time have both of them town in this & cross marked on the forehead with ashes, and which is place. A curious instance of the need of explanaobserved by hundreds of Carnival makers, is not un- tion on this matter is furnished by Carlyle, who, worthy of concluding this brief enumeration."

speaking of Winceby, in Lincolnshire, where there EVERARD HOME COLEMAN. was a fight in which Oliver Cromwell was engaged 71, Brecknock Road.

October 11, 1643, says that it is "a mere hamlet, “Fate"=HUSBAND OR WIFE.—This expression and not a town." Tbe people who dwell there was discussed in ‘N. & Q.' some little time ago. now, as heretofore, call it a town, and the good It may be as well to note a classical instance of wives still rebuke their "bairds” for playing the use :

in the town street in muddy weather. For the “Fanny Price-wonderful-quite wonderful! That

time in which she lived Mrs. Bray was very well Mansfield should have done so much for you—that you informed on matters relating to dialect; but in should have found your fate in Mansfield 1"-Mansfield 1833, in one of her letters to Robert Soutbey, she Park,'ch, xii.

shows herself to have been somewhat at fault as to EDWARD H. MARSHALL, M.A. this word, for she says that when the traveller Hastings. [See gth S. i. 489; ii. 196.]

"gets to Cudlipp town and asks where the town may be,

let him understand that a Devousbire one is not made SNEYD Davies, D.D. (1709-1769), Poet.-His up of a number, as it sometimes consists of a single baptism as son of Mr. John Davies, Clerk in quantity in such matters. I once was directed to a town

house, or two or three cottages, for here we never rate Dogpole, and Mrs. Honora bis wife,"

is recorded which, when I arrived there, I found to consist of two in the parish register of St. Mary, Shrewsbury, pig-sties and a mud hut; yet town it was, and will be so under date Oct. 31, 1709. See further 'Dict. Nat. I called through successive generations." Traditions, Biog.,' vol. xiv. p. 156. DANIEL HIPWELL.

Legends, Superstitions, and Sketches of Devonshire,

iii, 288. 17, Hilldrop Crescent, N.

Sir James Emerson Tennant seems to have thought " ASHAMEMENT."-"We are not prepared to town in this sense co have been a use peculiar to indorse the Duke's (of Devonshire) ashamement" Scotland, for he says that (Westminster Gazette, Feb. 4, No. 5, vol. i. p. 1, “a village in Ceylen, it must be observed, resembles col. 2). This word is vot in the New English a town in the phraseology of Scotland, where the smallest

collection of houses, or even a single farmstead with its article above referred to should be in the past buildings, ig enough to justify the appellation.". tense. As to this see 76 S. iii. 4, 23, 283, 401. Ceylon, vol. i. p. 422.

EDWARD PEACOCK.

The grace alluded to before dinner, " Pro hoc," &c., Dunstan House, Kirton-in-Lindsey.

never was a grace of the Inn, but simply one that

was favoured by the chairman at the time the SCOTTIANA.—It is worthy of notice that four writer of the article, I presume, happened to be individuals who were more or less associated with there. When Joseph Arden was principal he Scott have died within the last few months. In always said grace in English, “For what," &c. August there died at Selkirk an old mason who The grace after dinner was always performed at in his youth helped to build Abbotsford. I made the Kentish Mess (not “men”) until its extinction. a note of his name at the time, which I have mis-Though it is true no speeches were allowed, there laid somewhere, for I cannot put my hands on it. was an annual exception, when the chairman of the He used to relate that frequently while engaged in lower table made some laudatory remarks

to the his work on Abbotsford Sir Walter came and principal and rules (not “aules'). The Kentisk conversed with him and his fellow-workman, Mess had three toasts, the one in addition to that "For," said he, “the Shirra' had nae pride aboot given being “Principal and Rules," all drunk 'im."' And then towards the close of last year

without acclamation. died Dr. Skone, Historiographer Royal of Scot

I do not understand the statement (p. 266) that land, who was the son of Scott's old friend, Skene the judges " have still Chambers in the Inn in of Rubislaw, and who had actually resided in Chancery Lane"; they certainly have not ; neither Abbotsford as the guest of Scott. Next there was are there any “armorial bearings" in the house or the late Dr. Wordsworth, Bishop of St. Androws, ball; and as no serjeants are now made, they do not who, if I mistake not, accompanied his illustrious give rings.

RALPE THOMAS. uncle the poet and Dorothy Wordsworth on their 27, Chancery Lane. tour through Scotland, when they visited Abbotsford and saw Scott, before he set out on what

“FINE CHAMPAGNE." - Everybody who froproved to be his last excursion to the Continent noticed that within the last few years the best

quents good hotels or restaurants must have Lastly, there died, during February, Wil

brandy has been called either by the above name liam Haldane of Earlston, who was personally | (which many Englishmon, no doubt, pronounce as acquainted with Scott, and was present at his if it were English), or “ liqueur brandy," which is a funeral. He had many recollections, not only of better name, as it lends itself to no double meanScott, but of Hogg, Lockhart, Willie Laidlaw, ing. Even in Littré, "fine Champagne" is to be Andrew Gemmel (Edie Ochiltree), and Tom Purdie found in the Supplement

only (1877), and I myself We are told somewhere in Lockhart's · Lifo' well remember the days when the expression was that Sir Walter's mother knew a man who saw not to be seen or heard in Paris, although the Cromwell enter Danbar, and now we chronicle the thing must have existed then as it does now. snapping of those links which bind us to the living Littré's words are: personality of Scott himself. So runs the world pure de Cognac. Etym. Champagne, nom d'un

Fine champagne, eau-de-vie away.

W. E. W.
village de la Charente-Inférieure."

This is quite TABLE PROVERB.—The following couplet, form

incorrect. The real fact, as I learnt last year, ing, part of a piece, entitled 'Regime de vivre,' when spending three months in Angoulême (Chawhich is printed at the end of Proverbes en rimes rente), is that that part of the department of La ov rimes en proverbes ' (Paris, 1664, ii. 359),

Charente wbich is immediately to the south of Apres disner demeure coy,

Cognac, and lies between the rivers Charente and Apres souper promene toy

its affluent the Seugne, is called la Grande and la looks very much like the original of our own gastro

Petite Champagne, the former being next to nomic saw,

Cognac.*
After dinner sit awhile,

But I cannot do better than copy what I find in
After supper walk a mile.

the useful 'Dictionnaire des Dictionnaires,' edited

F. ADAMS. by Paul Guérin, with no date, but the preface 105, Albany Road, Camberwell, S.E.

dated January, 1886. Under the heading “Cham

pagne " there is :ROBERT PALTOCK, NOT PULTOCK (See 8th S. i.

“ Champagne, 8. f., Eau-de-vie de la Champagne Saint266) was an inhabitant of Clement's, not Clifford's, ongeaise.f Fine Champagne, premier cru, provenant de Inn. I have often pointed out this error, but it seems to crop up just the same (7th S. iii. 282). * So Hachette, in his Atlas '; but in Joanne's map of

It is from Clement's Inn that. Peter Wilkins'is La Charente (see bis book, quoted further on), it is the dated. See some interesting notes in the Atheneum, Petite

Champagne which is next to Cognac. August 2 and 16, 1884, and February 14, 1885.

† La Saintonge is in La Charente-Inférieure, while in

Hachette's 'Atlas,' la Grande and la Petite Champagne All the remarks about Clifford's Ion in the appear to be wholly in La Charente, and are so repreGenté, de Gimeux, de Salles et de tout le pays appelé “Fod.”—I have no doubt that fod is a "ghostGrande Champagne et Petite Champagne, un peu moins word.” Halliwell's edition of Nares gives it, on the estimée provenant du pays appelé Petite Champagne."

strength of a quotation from the Paradyse of And under “Cognac,” he bas :

Dayntie Devices,' 1576: "As we for Saunders death " Les crus se divisent en six catégories bien distinctes : have cause in fods of teares to saile.” It is the old Grande Champagne ou Fine Cbampagne, Petite Champagne, Borderies, Très bons Bois, Bois ordinaires, et enfin story; a letter has “ dropped out." Read Alods, Troisième Bois ou Dernier Bois."

i.e., floods,

WALTER W. SKEAT. Champagne is feminine in this case, therefore, as it always is when it denotes the province so called spelt yern, has a twofold origin and signification. The

“YEARN.”—This word, which should properly be or any champaign country. "Fine Champagne

first of these, the only one now used, means to long was, no doubt, formerly included under the more general dame of Cognac, the chief town of the after, be deeply desirous of. The second means district. It would seem that the ravages of the to grieve or” vex. Prof. Skeat points out that

(intransitively) to grieve or mourn, or (transitively) phylloxera have reduced the quantity of the Shakespeare never uses this word in the former, brandy

produced from the vineyards of the two bat always in the latter sense. Charentes to one-tenth. This I learn from Joanne,

Johnson, howin his 'Géographie de La Charente' (Hachette, ever, oddly enough, refers one passage in Shake

speare (Henry V.,' III. iii.) to the former sense, 1888), who goes on to say (p. 39):

though it undoubtedly has the latter meaning " Actuellement un grand nombre de propriétaires ne Pistol says, “Falstaff, he is dead, and we must yearn distillent plus leur propre vin ; ils emploient des grains therefor," \, e., we must mourn on that account. importés d'Allemagne et préparent ainsi une eau-de-vie inférieure qu'ils mélangent avec le peu de vrai cognac sion of the Bible (Gen. xliii

. 30 and 1 Kings iii. 26),

The word occurs twice in the Authorized Ver. que produit le vignoble charentais." If, therefore, this brandy is ever called “Cham- and in both places the former sense is intended, pagne brandy," as I dare say it is, it should be though not exactly in the way in which we use it remembered that there is no real connexion now. I am sorry, therefore, that the Revised between it and the wine called "Champagne."

Version has retained it in both passages, since F. CHANCE.

the meaning is much better represented in the Sydenham Hill,

Wycliffito version, and the Douay has practically

the same: "His [Joseph's] heart was moved upon LAMLASH.-Annotating “old Brodick's Gothic his brother” (Gen. xliii. 30). Coverdale renders towers" ('Lord of the Isles,' V. vi.), Scott writes "bis hert was kyndled towarde his brother," and tbus:-

the Great Bible has "his bert dyd melt upon his “Brodick or Brathwick Castle, in the Isle of Arran, brother.” In the other place (1 Kings iii. 26), is an ancient fortress, near an open roadstead called Coverdale uses the same expression as in this, but Brodick Bay, and not far distant from a tolerable bar- the Great Bible introduces the word yerned, which bour, closed in by the Island of Lamlash."

other versions have followed. As I said before, The reference, no doubt, is to the Island of (or in) this does not seem to express the exact meaning Lamlash Bay, described in Scott's Diary' of his now conveyed by it, which almost requires the cruise among the Western Isles (Lockhart's 'Life,' preposition “after," and signifies longing for someiii. 274, ed. 1837).

thing not present.

W. T. LYNN. The fact is that Lamlash is a hamlet on the Blackheath, mainland, with a bay in front in which lies Holy Isle, sacred in days of yore to St. Bride. Accord

AN OLD CIVIC INSTITUTION.—The following, ing to Scott, Bruce started for Carrick from Brodick taken from the Daily News of March 2, seems Bay or the neighbourhood ; but the local legend is worth preserving :that Whiting Bay, still further south than both “ Another ancient civic institution is on the point of Brodick and Lamlash, was the point of departure disappearing. It is the old society of Fellowship(MacArthur's 'Antiquities of Arran '). The

Porters,' which, if the recommendation of a Committee

of the Court of Common Council is adopted, will be İsland of Arran, which has so long retained its forth with disbanded and wound up. The London primitive simplicity of character, is likely to be fellowship or brotherhood of porters claims to have come better known in the immediate future, as it been incorporated in the days of that monarch whom is said that the Duke of Hamilton has consented Mr. Irving, in the character of Becket, is just now to grant feus on the shore. THOMAS BAYNE.

nightly defying on the stage of the Lyceum; but its

present Charter of Incorporation was granted by James I. Helensburgh, N.B.

in 1613. In other times they had a strict monopoly of

the porterage of house corn, salt, coals, fish, and fruit, sented in Joanne's map also. But this may be a mis- and even in these days we believe they are enabled to take, and there may be a part of the district in each of exact a trifling sum on every case of oranges and other the two departments which are adjoining. At all events, commodities, when they allow interlopers to carry these it is clear that brandy of some sort is made in both the from ship to shore. The Company have, or lately bad, Charentes.

a hall by the riverside, near Waterman's Hall. Onco

their members numbered three thousand; but the roll took infinite pains to prove that Mary Grey, "a is now considerable reduced, and the Company has no Young Gentlewoman,” was the real mother of the

livery or arms. It was an ancient custom of the so-called prince. Yet at a very early period after Hill, near the Custom House, with their wives and his birth Dutch caricatures, by Romain de Hooghe children, every Midsummer Day, in procession, carrying and others, show the child with a toy windmill in nosegays, on which occasions a special sermon was his hand, in allusion, as we are told, to the parenton the communion rails for the relief of poor brethren." age mentioned in the heading of this query. Who

was the miller ?

J. ELIOT HODGKIN. W. D, PINK.

FRANCIS, FIFTH DUKE OF LEEDS.—In the Queries.

obituary notice of this nobleman in the Gentleman's We must request correspondents desiring information been understood that the Duke had presented a

Magazine for February, 1799, it is stated to have on family matters of only privato interest to affix their names and addresses to their queries, in order that the comedy to the proprietors of Drury Lane Theatre, answers may be addressed to thêm direct.

which was intended to be brought forth in the

course of the present season " (p. 169). If this RESIDENCE OF MRS. SIDDONS IN PADDINGTON. report was correct, what was the name of the -In April, 1805, according to Campbell

, Mrs. comedy; and was it ever acted or published ? Siddons took possession of a pleasant cottage at

G. F. R. B. Westbourne, near Paddington, which she furnished

TAE GREAT SEAL.—The Marquis of Carmarthen for her permanent residence. From some verses records that “Early on Wednesday morning, written by her husband on the

occasion we learn March the 24 [1784), the Chancellors House was that the cottage was known as Westbourne Farm. broke open and tho Great Seal stolen” (“Pol. This residence she retained till 1817, when she Mem. of Francis, fifth Duke of Leeds,' p. 100). gave it up, as she found it too retired, and took Was it ever recovered ?

G. F. Ř. B. the lease of the house at the top of Upper Baker Street in which she died, and on which the STEWART : HAMILTON.-I am most anxious to Society of Arts has recently affixed a tablet. Cun. obtain information respecting the family of Stewart, ningham, in bis ' Handbook of London,' says that and more especially the branch which were settled the pretty little house and grounds which Mrs. at Culmore, co. Donegal, two centuries ago. Is it Siddons occupied at Paddington were destroyed to possible to obtain complete pedigrees of the families make room for the Great Western Railway of Stewart and of Hamilton anywhere? Robins, in his 'Paddington, Past or Present,'

KATHLEEN WARD. states that he bas been informed that Mrs. Siddons resided in Desborough Lodge, which at

FAMILY OF GREEN.-Can any of your readers the time he wrote (1853) was still standing in the give information as to Green, creature of Harrow Road, a little south and east of the Richard II.," as Shakespeare has it, who, with second canal bridge. I have, in a casual way, others, was executed at the usurpation of Henry endeavoured to find the situation of Desborough (IV.? Anything about the family, descent, or Lodge, but have not succeeded. Can any corre- Ing. p.m. (if existing) will be valued. spondent of N. & Q.' help to identify the house

KANTIANUS. in wbich the great actress lived ?

ALEXANDER SHERSON.-I want as much in.

W. F. PRIDEAUX. 29, Avenue Road, N.W.

formation as possible about Alexander Sherson, of

Ellers Craig, co. Lancashire, sometime chief conJAGGER-PAGE FAMILY.—I shall be very grate- stable of the city of Lancaster, or about any of ful for any information about Benjamin Jagger,

his ancestors.

ERROLL. who was born in Norwich about 1765, who came to London and served as a clerk in Messrs.

THE TAIRTY - THIRD REGIMENT.-Have the Maltby's office in Cheapside, and who emigrated records of this regiment been published ? I have to America in 1797. He assumed the name of heard it stated that in the middle of the last cenPage before his emigration. Who were his tury the regiment was known as “Johnson's Jolly parents ?

W. J. HARDY,

Dogs," being so called after the colonel who com21, Old Buildings, Lincoln's Inn.

manded it at Dettingen ; also as "The Yellow

Boys," from the colour of its facings at that period. THE OLD PRETENDER SON OF A MILLER. – As "The Duke of Wellington's Own" it bad red Where can be found the original suggestion that facings, whicb, since it became a territorial regi. the "pretended Prince of Wales," afterwards ment, have been changed to white. When and known as the Old Pretender, was the son of a where was the regiment first raised ; and did it miller ? I find not the slightest indication of this bear any distinction (territorial or otherwise), at theory in the many tracts of William Fuller, who the time, beyond its number? I am interested,

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