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Friday, March 25.
curity and better preservation of the The Attorney General obtained leave Records in Scotland. Mr Glassford for a bill for the better execution of brought in a bili for making and repairvarrants issued from the Court of ing roads and bridges in the county of King's Bench in England, for the ap.
Dumbarton. prehension of offenders in Scotland, and
Thursday, March 31. for enabling sheriff's taking bail to transfer the baitbonds to his Majesty.
Another discussion respecting the
Oude question, and another decision apMonday, March 28.
proving of the Marquis of Wellesley's Mr M. Pitt, from the Stırling district conduct--majority so to 20. of Burghs Committee, reported that the
Friday, April 1. sitting member was duly elected, and that the petition of Sir Johu Henderson
A petition from the City of London was not frivolous or vexatious. Mr
was presented relative to the rejection W. Dundas brought up a bill to regu- other House. In a Committee of Ways
of the Reversionary Grants bill in the late the trade between the Royal Burghs and Means, the Chancellor of the Exof Scotland and the Burghs of Barony and Regality. Mr Solicitor General chequer proposed that the future mastated it to be his intention to oppose nagement of the game duties be taken some of the clauses of the bill, A Com.
from the Stamp-office and added to the mittee was appointed to inquire into assessed taxes, for the more effectual Lotteries, and what further remedies
means of collecting the same, and that might be applied to lessen their evils, woodcocks and snipes should, in future, Mr Bankes obtained leave for a bill to be considered as game, so as to prevent prohibit, for a time to be limited, the persons from eluding the payment of granting of offices in reversion. (This game licences. The assessed taxes ais a revival of the bill rejected in the mounted to five millions five hundred Upper House.) Mr Percival did not thousand pounds; he proposed to conobject to the bill; but, to compromise solidate the taxes under that head, adwith the other House, he should, in the ding two per cent. which would yield progress of the bill, propose, as amend- 119,000l. The resolution, after some ments, not to prohibit grants altogether, conversation, was agreed to. but, in order to attach immediate res
Monday, April 4. ponsibility to the advisers of them, to Mr Biddulph prefaced his motion con. enact that no grant should be valid till cerning the Committee of Finance, by advertised in the Gazette ; and to en. maintaining, that the appointment of the sure any retrenchment which the Com- Finance Committee should be pure from mittee of Finance might recommend, he all suspicion. No person, he thought, should propose, that every grant should who held any office, could consistently for a limited time be subject to aboli. fulfil the duties of a Committee of res tion or alteration, as the King, with the trenchment. It was inconsistent with advice of Parliament, should think pro. every principle of the English law, and per.
common sense, that a man's own cause Tuesday, March 29.
should be committed to his own deci. Another long discussion took place sion. It was a common and just rule, respecting the Copenhagen expedition, that interested jurors should be challenon a motion of Lord Folkestone, for ged. He concluded by movingthe restoration of the Danish fleet on the
“ That Richard Wharton, Esq. be exreturn of peace. It was negativated by cused from any further attendance on 105 10 44.
the Committee of Finance, and that the
name of the Hon. John William Ward Wednesday, March 30.
be substituted in his place." In consequence of à motion of the The Chancellor of the Exchequer said, Lord Advocate of Scotland, a statement this was a question of peculiar delicacy, was presented of the proceedings of the and that unless a specific accusation Commissioners of Public Records so far were brought against the Hon. Chairas regards Scotland, preparatory to the man, he, of course, would feel it his duintroduction of a bill for the greater se ty to oppose the motion. He denied,
however, that office svas a disqualifica
Monday, April 11. tion to the discharge of duty. Against
BUDGET AND WAYS AND MEANS. such an opinion he should ever decided- The Chancellor of the Exebequer rose for Jy protest.
the purpose of laying before the Com. Mr H. Browne observed, that the Com- mittee the Ways and Means which mittee would lose a very valuable mem- would be required to meet the expenber if the motion should be successful. ces of the year. The Right Hon. Gen
The Hon. W. Ward trusted the House tleman then siated the various heads of would do him justice to believe that he the navy, the array, the ordnance, Swe. had not stimulated the motion. He dish subsidy, miscellaneous services, and ruse merely for the purpose of express other subjects, for which the supply liad sing his wishes, that the Hon. Gentle been voted, the total of which amountman would withdraw his motion, or at ed to 48,653,1701. but from which was least not press it to a division.
to be deducted 5,713,5661. being the The House however did divide, when proportion for Ireland. the motion was negatived 70 to 21, The Ways and Means which were to
April 6. Mr Huskisson moved for an ac- be proposed, in order to cover this supcount of the surplus of the consolidated ply, were, ist, the malt and pension dufund for the year ending the 5th of A- ties, which he would take in round num. pril 1808. He stated, that such surplus bers at three millions. This was about 'scarcely ever before exceeded 3 mil. 250,000l. more than it had produced lions, but in the last year amounted to last year; but he should take the sur45 millions ; he further stated, that the plus of the consolidated fund at so much surplus of the last three months over lower than its actual produce. The ad. the corresponding period of the last year vances from the Bank amounted to three was 600,00ol.
millions and a half; the unappropriated April 7. The House went into a Com- surplus of the consolidated fund, up to mittee on the Reversionary grants bill, the 5th of April, was 726,8701, The when the blank limiting the existence war taxes he should reckon at a rough of the act was filled up with the words, guess at 21 millions, and he thought “ for one year after the passing of the himself the more warranted in taking act,"-after a desultory debate noways them at that sum, when it was recollecinteresting.
ted, that the duties to be levied in conApril 11. Upon the motion of the Lord sequence of the orders in Council would Advocate of Scotland, the bill for the bet- be added to the war taxes. ter regulation of the records of Scot- The lottery he should reckon at land was ordered to be read a second 350,000l, which was somewhat less than time this day six weeks.
it had produced in the last year. He Sir Charles Pole moved an humble ad. proposed to issue four millions of Exdress to his Majesty that he would be chequer bills, towards the Ways and graciously pleased to direct, that the means of the year. In addition to this, appointments to Officers in the Naval heshould say about eight millions, which Asylum he granted only to persons who he would propose as the loan, and which had served his Majesty in a naval capa- was as much as he apprehended would city. The Hon. Member entered into be necessary for the service of the prea long investigation of this subject, sent year. When to these sums was adwherein he shewed that their situations ded the surplus of the consolidated tund, were at present filled by persons who which he would take at 3,750,00cl. it had never been in any naval situation would give a total of 43,076,000l. for the He thought it would not only be a sys- Ways and Means for the service of the tem of economy, but provide for many year, which gave an excess of 187,000l. deserving persons.
above the supplies. Although the surMr Rose had no objection to an are plus of the consolidated fund bad been rangement being made, to prevent here taken at 3,750,000l, yet in fact it had after p'rsons who had not been in the exceeded that sum in the course of the naval service to these appointments. last year by no less a sum than 726,870l.
The motion was then uegatived on a The interest of the four millions of division, 71 to 46.
Exchequer bills, and of the loan for the year, would amount to 750,000l. This each ; this he proposed to raise to 4d. *ould be provided for in the following for those payable in more places than manner. In the first place, short annui. one, and to 6d. for such country notes ties had fallen in amounting to 380,000l. as were made payable only in the place which he would propose to be applied they were issued. There might also be to the Ways and Means ; 65,000l. had a small additional duty on the transfer annually been saved by improvements of stock shares, which were now made in the management of the revenue; according to the nominal value. As to 125,cool. had been already gained by law proceedings, they were at present the arrangement which had taken place burdened with such high taxes, that he with respect to the collection of the as. was unwilling to charge them with any sessed taxes, and he thought that, by a additional duties; there were, however, similar arrangement in the collection of one or two slight additional duties which tha stamp duties, a furthersum of 29,090l. he thought they might bear. He should might be gained. These sums taken to propose therefore a duty of one shilling gether would make a total of 770,000l. on every summons before a master in which exceeds by 29,095l, the sum that Chancery. As to conveyances of land, would be necessary to cover the interest which now bore a duty of 30 shillings of the loan, and of the four millions of generally, he should propose a duty of Exchequer bills. The additional stamp 205, on every conveyance of land the daties which he should propose would, value of which did not exceed 1501. he trusted, not be considered as burden. From 1501, tu 300L he should propose some, and would rather be considered 30s. ; from zool, to sool. 505.; and from as a regulation and an arrangement than that upwards, at a rate not exceeding' aa increase of duties. He should pro- 2os. for every icol. After a few genepose an equalization of the stamp du. ral observations, le concluded by mo. ties on deeds in Scotland, by adopting ving his first resolution, somewhat of the ad valorem principle. After a few observations from Mr He wished also to alter the duties now Vansittart, and Mr Huskisson, the first paid on admission into offices. The pre. resolution of the Chancellor of the Exsent duty was zol. without regard to chequer was put and carried. the value or amount of the office. He wished that every otice under ool. an.
Monday, May 23. bually should be entirely exempted ; Mr Grattan presented a petition from those from bol. to 1501, to pay sl.; the Roman Catholics of Ireland (pro forthose from 150l. to 300l. to pay 2ol. and ma,) praying for an equal participation of a higher duty for the admission into of- the privileges of the British constitution, &c. fices of greater value. He proposed The perition appears to be one of the larthat the duty on indentures of attornies gest ever presented to this House, and is and solicitors, who were in practice in said to be signed with nearly one million the superior Courts, should be uol. and of signatures.--Ordered to be referred :0 a
Committee on Wednesday. le duties on those in the inferior Courts, as well as the writers to the signet in
Wednesdey, May 25. Scotland, should be 55. He proposed which he presented from the Roman Ca
Mr Grattan moved, that the petition that the duty on feoffments should be tholics of Ireland be now read. raised from il. 105. to 31. which was
He began with observing, that not only the same as deeds of lease and release that petition, but several others on the table, are now liable to. He should also pro- spoke to the sense of the Irish Catholics.pose a small duty upon policies of life The petitioners formed a very considerable insurance. The issuing of promissory portion of the electors of Ireland; they posnotes, reissuable, he also considered a sessed a great share of political power; and fair subject of taxation. He thought no
they applied, through the constitutional orperson should be allowed to issue notes
gan, for a legal object. It was his most without taking out a license, which discussed in a spirit of concord. He de
anxious wish that this question should be should cost 20l. per annum. Some of precated all religious and political animothese notes were payable only in the sity. He recommended the balm of obli. country, in the places where issued, and vion; that the battle of the Boyne, and the others were made payable in other rebellion in the year 1743, should be forplaces. These notes at present paid 37. gotten; and that there should be no allu
sion to those scenes where parties contend- It was the policy of all nations but this, ed against each other. He saw, and he to admit persons of every religious descrip. şaw with satisfaction, the Catholic estab- tion into the service of the state. It was lished in Canada. He saw Government the practice in Frar.ce before the revoluconducting the Portuguese to South Ame. tion. In America it had long prevailed. rica, and establishing the Catholic religion During the war which terminated in the there. He saw alliances formed with Aus- independence of that country, the Ameritria and other Catholic states, from which can Catholic was seen fighting by the side he must infer that, whatever internal mis. of the American Protestant, and both in chief might be apprehended from a Catho. unity with France, of which the religion lic establishment, there was no external was Catholic. England was at present withdanger to be feared. This would be some. out one ally in the world but Sweden ; che thing towards his argument; for he trust- Protestant religion did not supply us with ed, before he sat down, he should be able one, and would they then give up the only to show the House that the internal dan. ally which they had at home? The Cager was small indeed. The petition prayed tholic clergy were willing that his Majesty for admission into the State, and to the pri- should exercise a negative upon the affirmavileges of seats in that House. The act of tive of their Bishops; so that no person the 33d of the King gave the Catholics ad- could be elevated to that rank without the mission to political power; it admitted them previous approbation of the Sovereigo. to the constituency, and rendered them eli. He had so far argued the question upon gible to all offices, with a few exceptions. general principles; he would next consider The removal of these exceptions, and the it as applying to Great Britain and Ireland. power of legislation, were alone wanting, It was said that the object of the petition to place them on a level with the rest of
was opposed to the principles of the revotheir countrymen. Those who oppose the lution. It was said that it was hostile te claims of the Catholics, object, in the first the declaration of rights. By the fundaplace, that they acknowledge the temporal mental laws of this country, the Catholics power of a foreign Prince, and recognize form a part of the constituent body. If in him the capacity to depose the Sove. they looked to the constitution, they must reign which the constitution has given agree with the petitioners; if to the printhem. These were the objections of some ciples of the revolution or the declaration of the mildest among their antagonists.- of rights, they must agree with them; and Dthers, in the violence of their zeal and in- if they looked to the duration of the contolerance, represent the Catholics as men stitution, they must agree with them, be. rendered execrable by their religion. Now, cause, whenever danger should arise, where as to the first objection, he should appeal were they to look for assistance and supto the unanimous decision of the seven port, but to the petitioners? The anomaly principal universities in Europe. Their of a Protestant King with Catholic Coun, opinion had been asked on the subject, and cils was urged against the claim expressed they ananimously declared, that it was not in the petition. He could see no anomaly a tenet of the Catholic religion; that the in the case, nor could he perceive any dan. Pope possessed temporal power out of his ger in the practice. The Councils of Henry own dominions; that it was not a tenet of iv. of France were guided by Sully; and the Catholic religion that he had a right Turenne headed the armies of Louis XIV. to depose Sovereigns; and that it was not Neither of these servants was of the same one of their tenets that they should hold religion of their Sovereign, but their servi. no faith with heretics. They observed: ces were not less acceptable or meritorious upon all these imputations with great mo- on that account. ral indignation, and they condemned and But the argument upon which the great. stigmatized such tenets. Such were the est reliance was placed was, that if the Ca. opinions of the great Doctors of the Catho- Tholics are admitted to the privileges of le lic church. There were documents equally gislation, they would endeavour to estabstrong on the part of the Catholic laity of lish their own religion. But how were Ireland. These were the various oaths im- they to establish it ? Circumstanced as pro posed on them, particularly those by the perty was, was there any likelihood that 13th and 14th of the King. They dis- the Catholics would become the majority claimed the infallibility of the Pope; they of the House, and if they were not, how denied that it was any part of their reli- were they to pull down the Protestant es. gion to believe that he was infallible, and tablishment, and erect their own in its place! they renounced all claims which they might He entirely agreed that the two churches have upon property. From all these he should be separate, and that the Catholics would contend that there was no moral in should pay their own church. This was compatibility between the two religions. no: the way, however, in which casuiste
considered the question. They looked to Government. He entreated the House not the dominant religion merely as a profitable to believe the tales which were circulated establishment, which they endeavoured to respecting the ferocious disposition of the support by pains and penalties, and thus lower orders of people in Ireland; that the converted the principle of the revolution, Catholics would suffer no Protestants to which should be a blessing to the empire, live among them. He would gladly, if he into an instrument of oppression and into- could obtain the permission of the House, lerance. It is said the oath of the King is go into a Comınittee to disprove the asa: incompatible with the admission of the Ca- sertion. A people were not to be concili. tholics. The King, he would admit, was ated by such calumnies. Ireland stood by sworn to maintain the constitution in church our side, contributing five millions to the and state, but he was not sworn to the eter- population of the empire ; exporting to the nal maintenance of the penal laws. He amount of ten millions; remitting two milwas sworn as to his executive, but not as lions annually in rent ; paying as much to his legislative capacity. When Henry more in interest, and giving to the army VIII. assented to the reformation, he de- and pavy one third of their number. And parted from his oath. So did Elizabeth. - was a connection with such a country to Se did his present Majesty when he gave be placed in jeopardy for a privilege, the his consent to the Quebec act--when he benefit of which would only be enjoyed by admitted the Catholic to the right of inhe a few, but the denial of which was consiritance in 1782-when he admitted him to dered injustice and oppression! The exthe professions in 1792—when he admitted perience of a century had shewn how foolhim to the constituency in 1793—so that, ish it was to think of governing such a according to the mode of reasoning, en country by a system of bigotry, or any sysployed by the opponents of the Catholic, tem but the principles of a legitimate conall the best and most gracious acts of his stitutional Government. The Catholics did Majesty's reigo were but a succession of not come before that House as a few indiperjuries. This was to make the rights of viduals, but as a people. They did not ihe church the wrongs of the people.- come with affected humility to implore a This was to make the church a confede- favour, but to claim what they conceived to racy against the people, and what was be a right. They apply to you as freemen worse, to make the King a party to it. The should to freemen. it was upon these state of Ireland required that the full bene- grounds he would move that the petition fit of the constitution should be communi on the table he referred to a Committee of cated to the Catholic, and it was most im- the whole House. periously called for by the state of Europe. (When Mr Grattan had sat down, as no
Before Gentlemen should make up their other Member rose, there was a loud cry minds to reject the motion, he entreated for the question, which was put, and the them to pause and consider the situation of gallery was cleared for a division ; but in a the country. Austria had left us ; Russia, short time it was opened, and we found Mr who should have been ours, was matched Canning on his legs.) against us. There was nothing left for us Mr Secretary Canning did not hesitate but an union of every heart and every to confess that he would have wished the hand. He would recommend en his coun- debate had not been brought forward, but trymen to associate more with the Catho- since it had been brought forward, he hop. lic, to remove gradually the litele jealousies ed it might not be protracted. He musc by which he was agitated. It was not the agree with the Right Hon. Gentleman in political exclusion so much as the personal all the abstrace principles which he had inferiority which he felt. There was alsu laid down, of the necessity of civil concord a class of persons in Ireland, the Orange and union, and more particularly in the men, to whom he should not be ashamed present situation of the country; but he to appeal on this occasion. He would en could not agree with him entirely as to treat them to lay aside their animosities, the practical result of those principles. He and to consider the Catholics as entitled to concurred most heartily in wishing that rereceive, and capable of conferring, all the ligious animosities might soon be healed, charities and confidence of civilized society. and in deploring their existence; but yet He would appeal to the Administration he could not shut his eyes against the practoo; it would be no justification for them tical effects of them. He saw that, in point to say that the people of Ireland should not of fact, they did exist; and he doubted have felt so strongly upon this subject. whether they were to be healed by speech
ight have been indiscreet, es. He, therefore, deprecated a discussion, but he would pledge himself that they which, he was convinced, could not lead would have no French among the Catho to any practical good, and which, if it were lics, if there were no bigotry among the conducted with that temper and modera