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Massachusetts why it is he selects the heads of shoved out in the cold, But there are other man a question. When I used the word "

'pre these bureaus and reduces them and yet leaves men in the Army with ranks that they have no tense" I did not mean to say that the committhe subordinates in their present grade so we right to retain, not because they have not won tee was designedly trying to impose on the shall have in the quartermaster's department it, not because we desire to degrade them, but country, but only that that was the effect of the six colonels under his arrangement. He re. because the country has no use for their rank bill upon its face. Now, I will ask the gentleman duces the head of the department now a brigaor service.

this question : Is it not a fact that during the der general, but he does not reduce those under Now, how do you reduce an army? What late war when an order from the Secretary of him.

do you call an army? Does it consist of mere War was issued for the consolidation of regiMr. BUTLER, of Massachusetts. My amend- soldiers ? Certainly not. You may dischargements, you were required when you consoli ment indeed does, and I will answer the ques- every soldier in the Army to-day, and yet you dated regiments to muster out the surplus offtion. I have not yet got so far as the next in have an Army; but it would be an Army of cers and non-commissioned officers? Is not rank. I am dealing with the head now, and I officers. If you mean to reduce the Army dis. that the fact ? propose to reduce the tail in the same ratio. I charge your officers as well as soldiers. The Mr. GARFIELD. I have no doubt of that am coming to that as soon as I get the head idea that because men have been educated at fact. right. I must deal with the thing I have before || the Government expense or otherwise, and Mr. LOGAN. I know I did it frequently

. nie. I want to drop the heads of these Depart. l happen to be retained in the Army to-day, they Then I would ask the gentleman, it, in tre 226nis down to the rank I have indicated. Then shall not be retired or removed as soon as consolidation of regiinents in frout of the I propose the subordinates down to captains we have no further use for them is preposter- enemy, officers in commission were required to shall drop a peg lower to correspond. The The argument of the gentleman from be mustered out, where is the hardship now in committee will not muster out anybody. They Ohio (Mr. GARFIELD] last night astounded ine. time of peace of mustering out officers in comwill not take anybody's commission. This bill He said these men were placed there, and it || mission when we consolidate regiments and keeps all these useless officers. This bill, as would be an outrage to remove them.

have a surplus of officers? That was the rule reported, gives of staff officers one to every Why, sir, the gentleman is placed here in in the Army during the war, and I have nusthirty eight men. There are six hundred and Congress by the vote of his constituents. Would tered out many a one. fifty-one staff officers to deal with twenty-five he consider it an outrage to be left at home Mr. GARFIELD, I have several times in the thousand inen. They will not let one of them | by them? I think, myself, it would be doing course of this debate stated the distinction be.

There are more than twice as many as for themselves a great injury, but they have a right tween a military peace establishment and an the like number of inen before the war. There to do it nevertheless, as have the constituents army in time of war. That distinction has al are seventeen general officers, twenty adjutant of each one of us here. Now, these officers ways prevailed in the military service of the generals, nine inspector generals, seventy-six have no more right to be retained for life United States, and it seems to me not unrea: quartermasters, sixty four paymasters, one to because they have commissions given to them sonable ibat it should prevail now. five bundred men; twenty nine subsistence by the President than any other officer of the Mr. WASHBURN, of Indiana. I would ask men, one hundred and twenty-four medical Government. Such a doctrine is the essence the gentleman bow many officers are mustered officers--one medical officer to every two hun- of aristocracy. You are maintaining an aris- out by this bill? dred men-sixty-four ordinance men, and one tocracy in the organization of the Army, and Mr. GARFIELD, I have several times said hundred and seven engineers, making a total the people are to become menials. Every offi- that this bill does not propose absolutely to of six hundred and fifty-one officers to twenty- cer in this country, whether civil or military,

muster out any officers. The gentleman under eight thousand men. That is wbat makes the should be the servant of the people, and should stands that very well. But I say that it reduces expense of the Army. The committee have be willing to yield obedience to their will, and the aggregate pay of officers the same as if we not proposed in their bill to drop one of these when the people say they have no further use mustered out three hundred and ninety-two men until he dies. They hold on to hiin till for their service they should acquiesce and officers absolutely. that moment, and apparently would do so after- decline to impose their services upon the peo- Mr. PILE. In addition to the number of ward if they could, but then he slips out of

officers placed on the relieved list under this

bill there will be a further reduction from the he lives, whether he is useful to the service or How? By reducing the generals, the colonels, fact that no vacancies can be filled except by not. Now, my proposition is that these chiefs and other officers in the same ratio that you transfers from the relieved list to the active of bureaus shall come down to the pay of col- reduce the men in the Army. When you do ovels, and their subordinates to the pay of

list. In the opinion of the Secretary of War that yoni

will have just as many men as you lieutenant colonels, misjors, and captains.

a careful exainination of the line of officers have officers to command iliem, and just as of the Army would result in the dismissal of a [Here the hammer fell.]

many officers as you have necessity for in order large number-probably one fourth of the Mr. GARFIELD. I propose to close de- to command your Army, and no more.

whole number--that in fact many dismissals bate on this section.

[Here the hammer fell.]

have recently been made for incompetence, Mr. LOGAN. Allow me to be heard.

Mr. GARFIELD. I oppose the amend. || drunkenness, or other immoralities. The Mr. GARFIELD. I will yield the gentlement, and will close the debate in a few words. point I make is that we can reduce the num. man five minutes.

The gentleman, I ain sure, does not desire to ber of officers to the required amount by weedMr. LOGAN. The gentleman from Massa- misrepresent what the bill proposes, and I was chusetts (Mr. Butler) withdraws his amend sorry to hear him say that the bill made only ination incompetent and worthless men, this

iug out by court-martial and a board of exam ment, and I renew it. When I say I am in a pretense of reducing the Army when it did mustering out for cause a number equal to the favor of reducing the Army I mean reducing not really reduce it. There are now in the

number of supernumeraries, thereby saving the Army. The idea of presenting to this Army of the United States twenty-eight hun. the Army good officers and getting rid of worth House and the country a mere pretense is not dred and fifty-eight commissioned officers. less ones, all this can be accomplished in six the way and manner in which we should deal This bill proposes to place seven hundred and months. with the people. Now, I mean no offense to eighty-five-more than one quarter of all those Mr. GARFIELD. I move now to close the chairman of the committee when I say officers-on a list to be relieved from duty and debate on this amendment. this, but I do say that this bill does not reduce placed on half pay:

The motion was agreed to. the Army, though it pretends to do so.

Mr. LOGAN! That is exactly what I said. I had a conversation with the Secretary of Mr. GARFIELD. That is equivalent to Wur this morning, in which this subject was

Ceasing to pay three hundred and ninety-two by Mr. BUTLER, of Massachusetts, to strike out incidentally relerred to. Now, what is the officers of the United States Army a dollar

in lines one and two the words any vacancies proposition? It is to retire one seventh of from this time forward. Now, if anybody will

which may hereafter occur in ;' in line ten the officers of the Army on half pay, and it is

to strike out the words on the occurrence of say that that is no reduction at all, I cannot tuen proposed that they may be assigned to understand his reasoning or his arithmetic.

a vacancy in each respectively," and to add special duty. The Secretary of War would

to the section the following:

There are now forty-five thousand enlisted easily find special duty for them, and then you men in the Army, and it is proposed that that

Provided, That in the offices aborenamed tho would have no actual reduction either in num- number shall be reduced to twenty-five thou.

present incumbents may continue therein at the last

inentioned rank and pay. bers of officers or in expense.

sand. There are now forty-five regiments of Now, sir, the way to reduce the Army is infantry. It is proposed to reduce the number

So that the section will read: this: the people of the country do not under- to thiriy. There are ten cavalry regiments.

SEC. 63. And be it further enacted, That the office of stand that an officer of the Army has an It is proposed to reduce the number to seven,

Adjutant General, Quartermaster General, Commis

sary General of Subsistence, chief of ordpanee, chief inalienable right to hold on to his commission There are five regiments of artillery. It is as long as lifo lasts--with more tenacity, ap- li proposed to reduce the number to four. The

Bureau of Military Justice, shall be filled by the apparently, sometimes than ordinary men adhere statement I have now made is a simple stateto it. The people do not understand that we ment of the facts of the bill, and I am unwill. are to support an aristocraey without daringing that it shall go to the country that the comto say to these officers " When your services mittee have brought in a bill which pretends are no longer needed they shall be dispensed to reduce but does not really reduce the Army with." I know there are old men in the ser

tioned rank and pay,

the bill passes as capable in every respect of taking charge of annual expenses of the Army not far from grading these officers. some of these departments and performu the duties. These men I do not want to have Mr. LOGAN. I would like to ask the gentle. ) is not a fáir statement of the question. The

The question was on the amendment offered

of engineers, Paymaster General. Surgeou General

, or pointment or assignment of an officer who shall have the rank, pay and

allowances of a colonel of cavalrs. And all laws and parts of lars authoriting tbe sp; pointment of any oficer of a bigher grade

than colone! in any of said offices shall cease and determine: Provided. That in the office abovenamed the present incumbents may continue therein at the last-meno

vice, men who have families, and” who are reported by the committee it with reduces the Mr. GARFIELD. The question is on de

Mr. BUTLER, of Massachusetts. No; that question is whether we shall pay brigadier gen- shall come down to be captains, and that the erals when we only want colonels.

forty-four captains shall come down to be lieuThe question was put on the amendment; tenants. I do not intend by any means to and there were-ayes 37, noes 20; no quorum

retain all this swarı. I propose to offer an voting.

amendment to the eleventh section, reducing Mr. BUTLER, of Massachusetts, and Mr. this force one half, which will be quite as much LOGAN called for the yeas and nays.

as we had before the war. The yeas and nays were ordered.

Mr. GARFIELD. I desire the gentleman The question was again taken; and it was from Massachusetts to explain how his propo. decided in the affirmative-yeas 84, nays 25, sition will operate in circumstances which I not voting 89; as follows:

will state. He proposes to reduce a brigadier
YEAS-Messrs. Arnell, Axtell, Bailey, Baker, Bald- | general to the rank of colonel; a colonel to
win, Banks, Beatty, Benton, Boles, Boyer, Brooks, the rank of lieutenant colonel; a lieutenant
Benjamin F. Butler, Roderick R. Butler, Cary, Co-
burn, Covode, Cullom, Deweesc, Eckley, Eldridge.

colonel to the rank of major; a major to the
Ferriss, Fields, Getz, Glossbreuner, Golladay. Grover, rank of captain, &c. Suppose a major, for
Hamilton, llawkins, Ilinds: Hopkins. Hulburd, instance, has just been put down from the rank
Hunter, Johnson, Alexander H. Jones, Judd, Julian,
Keiscy, Knott, Koontz, George V. Lawrence, William

of lieutenant colonel, will he be the highest
Lawrence, Loan, Logan, Loughridge, Mallory, Mar- major or the lowest major? To what extent
shall, McCarthy, McClurg, McKee, Miller, Moore, would previous service count in such a case ?
Morrell, Mullins, Mungon, Niblack, Orth, Perham,
Paters, Phelps, Pike, Plants, Pomeroy. Price, Robert-

I do not understand how the matter of relative
son, Ross, Sawyer, Scofield, Shanks, Smith, Stokes, rank would be regulated, this being an entirely
Taber, Taffe, Thomas, Lawrence S. Trimble, Upson,
Van Aernam, Burt Van Horn, Van Trump, Ward,

new question in military administration. If Cadwalader C. Washburn, Elibu B. Washburne,

the gentleman will explain how a lieutenant Henry D. Washburn, William B. Washburn, and colonel major and a major major-if I may use Johu T. Wilson--84.

that phraseology-would rank relatively to
NAYS-Messrs. Anderson, James M. Ashley,
Bromwell, Churchill, Cobb, Dixon, Farnsworth,

each other, it may obviate some little difficulty
Griswold, Higby. Hooper, Chester D. Hubbard, which I now see in his plan.
Marvin, Myers, O'Neill, Paine, Pile, Poland, Raum, Mr. BUTLER, of Massachusetts. Far be it
Schenck, Sitgreaves, Spalding, Stone, Trowbridge,
Twichell, and James F. Wilson-25.

from me, Mr, Speaker, to undertake to instruct
NOT VOTING- Messrs. Adams, Allison, Ames, in military law the learned chairman of the
Archer, Delos R. Ashley, Barnes, Barnum, Bcaman, Committee on Military Affairs; but in order to
Beck, Benjamin, Bingham, Blaine, Blair, Boutwell,
Broomall, Buckland. Burr, Cake, Chanler, Render remove an argument which is made to the pre-
W. Clarke, Sidney Clarke, Cook. Cornell, Dawes, || judice and not to the fact, I desire to say that
Delano). Dodge, Donnelly, Driggs. Eggleston, Ela,
Eliot, Ferry, Finney, Fox, French, Garfield, Gravely,

the military law settles this whole matter. The
Haighe, Halsey, Harding, Hill, Holman, Hotchkiss; higher officer will have been longer in the
Asalcl W. Hubbard, Richard D. Ilubbard, Hum- service and will take rank in accordance with
phrey, Ingersoll, Jenckes, Thomas L. Jones, Kelley, his service.
Kerr. Ketcham, Kitchen, Lalin, Lincoln, Lynch,
Maynard, McCormick, McCullough, Mercur, Moor-

Mr. GARFIELD. Not necessarily. beau, Morrissey, Newcomb, Nicholson, Nunn, Pol- Mr. BUTLER, of Massachusetts. If there is sley, Pruyn, Randall, Robinson, Roots, Selye, Shellabarger, Siarkweather, Aaron F. Stevens, Thaddeus

any difliculty in that respect I hope the learned Stevens, Stewart, Taylor, John Trimble, Van Auken,

chairman of the Committee on Military Affairs, Robert T. Van Horn, Van Wyck, Welker, Thomas when he finds out what is the will of the House Williams, Williain Williams, Stephen F. Wilson,

on this subject, will endeavor to relieve any Windoin, Wood, Woodbridge, and Woodward-89. So the amendment was agreed to.

little difficulty of that sort. There will be ample

opportunity for examination and amendment;
Mr. BUTLER, of Massachusetts. I move and if there is any difficulty of that sort (which
to further amend the section by adding to it I do not see) it can be obviated.
the following:

The amendment was agreed to.
That hereafter every officer in either of the staff

Mr. GARFIELD. I send to the Clerk an
departments above named, except as herein pro-
vided for the cbief thereof, shall be reduced one step

amendment which I offer on behalfof the comin grade down to the grade of captain, and shall mittee, as a new section, to come in after section receivo pay and allowances accordingly,


I had intended to offer it as section The chief of staff departments having been eleven ; but in view of the action already taken reduced to the rank of colonel, this amend. by the House it will come in more properly ment is to bring down one grade all the sub- here. ordinate officers, until we get down to the The Clerk read as follows: grade of captain, so as to reduce men hereto

Insert the following as a new section: fore colonels to lieutenant colonels, men here- And be it further enacted, Tbat, in addition to the tofore lieutenant colonels to majors, and men

prospective reduction in the staff of the Army pro

vided for in section six of the act, the following reheretofore majors to captains. I now yield to duction shall be made in the number of officers in the gentleman from Wisconsin, [Mr. PAINE.] the staff now authorized by law. Mr. PAINE. I have already stated my

The number of ass.:tant quartermasters general

with the rank of colonel shall be reduced to five. opposition to the principle involved in this The number of deputy quartermasters general with amendment. But if some such amendment is the rank of lieutenant colonel shall be reduced to to be adopted, as I think will be the case, judg.

eight. The number of quartermasters with the rank of

major shall be reduced to twelve. The number of ing from the expression of opinion already assistant quartermasters with the rank of captain made by the House, I propose to offer an

shall be reduced to thirty. The number of commisamendment to the amendment which I think

saries of subsistence with the rank of major shall be

reduced to six. The number of commissaries of subsiswill put the matter in a better form ; and I hope tenco with the rank of captain shall be reduced to the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. BUT- twelve. The number of assistant paymasters general LER] will accept it in lieu of the one he has

shall be reduced to one. The number of paymasters

shall be reduced to forty. The number of surgeons offered, I propose to amend the amendment with the rank of major shall be reduced to forty. The so that it will read as follows:

number of assistant surgeons with the rank of cap

tain shall be seventy-five. That in the ordnance That from and after the passage of this act all offi

department the number of colonels shall be reduced cers of the staff departments of the Army shall have to two, of lieutenant colonels to three, of majors to thie rank, pay, and emoluments of the cavalry grade seven, of captains to eighteen, of first lieutenants to next below that fixed for the office by the aet entitled

fourteen, of second lieutenants to eight. And imme. "An act to increase and fix the military peace estab- diately upon the passage of this act the Secretary of lishment of the United States," approved July 28,

War shall prepare lists of all the officers now in active 1866.

service in each of the staff corps in excess of the numMr. BUTLER, of Massachusetts. I will berin each grade authorized by the provisions of this accept the amendment of the gentleman from

section, said lists to be made in accordance with the

provisions of the eighth and ninth sections of this act; Wisconsin [Mr. Paine] in lieu of my amend- and all officers so placed on said lists shall be in like ment, because it reduces captains to lieuten- manner relieved on half pay. ants, going further than my amendment goes. Mr. GARFIELD. I propose that we conThe bill proposes to leave in the quarter- sider this amendinent by paragraphs. master's department six colonels, eleven lieu- The SPEAKER. If there be no objection tenant colonels, fifteen majors, and forty-four that course will be pursued. captains. Now, I propose that those six col- There was no objection. onels shall come down to be lieutenant colonels; that the ten lieutenant colonels shall the quartermaster's department. come down to be majors; that the fifteen majors Mr. GARFIELD. The amendment I have

There is read the paragraph in regard to

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will reduce themselves. I want to hurry that duty; so that any vacancies occurring in the are generally all even, the men's names are reduction.

active list from the causes alluded to will be signed on the pay-roll beforehand, and the Mr. PILE rose.

filled by a transfer from the relieved list of men just walk in and take their money, and Mr. BUTLER, of Massachusetts. The gen: officers selected by the War Department for away they go almost as fast as they can march tieman has been heard, and I cannot yield to that purpose, and by that process the number past the paymaster. And yet we are told here him. I have not the time.

of officers will be reduced until by the 31st of that we must not cut down substantially the Mr. PILE. I hope, then, the gentleman will March next, at the rate now going on, by number of paymasters. not misrepresent ine.

weeding out incompetent, inefficient, and im- Now, I ain not going to discuss each one of Mr. BUTLER, of Massachusetts. The gen. proper officers, and the selection of others to these propositions, because at last I propose tleman's remarks will be in the Globe and so take their places from the lists of relieved off- to offer my amendment, which is to cut down will mine. He stated expressly that if the cers, we will get rid of the supernumeraries all the staff departments one half. I have drunkeuness and misconduct of the Army con- and have left the very best officers in the Army. || bere a list of general and staff officers in the tinued it would be reduced. Now, I find while Mr. BUTLER, of Massachusetts. I desire | register of 1867, and there are six hundred the committee propose to reduce largely on to offer an amendment in lieu of the section. and fifty-one, which to an army of twentyfire captains they propose to reduce only one col. Mr. GARFIELD. We proceed by para- | thousand men is one staff officer to every thirtyonel. They propose to reduce largely on cap- graphs, and the amendment is therefore not in eight men. There are sixty-four ordnance tains but only two or three majors. What I want order now.

men, one hundred and seven engineers, one is a clean thing If six colonels are necessary

Mr. BUTLER, of Massachusetts. Then I | hundred and seventy-four surgeons, or one to for forty majors, then it does not require more ask to have it read for information.

every two hundred and odd men, and seventythan three colonels for twenty-two majors. If Mr. GARFIELD. Very well.

six quartermasters. They propose to reduce twenty-two majors are necessary for seventy- The Clerk read the amendment, as follows: the number of these officers but one per six captains, it does not require but one half That tho whole number of officers serving in the cent. in the higher grades and twelve per as many majors for half the number of cap

above-named staff department shall be reduced ono cent. in the lower grades. I do not propose to tains. The difficulty is, there is an attempt

half, the officers retained to be designated by the

General of the Army; and those not selected to be attempt to perfect the section. Let gentlemen on the part of the committee to save these retained shall be in ustered out on the 10th day of of the cominittee put their section in the shape higher officers. Now, I am for reducing them March next.

in which they want it, and when they get by cutting them down fairly and squarely,

Mr. GARFIELD. I object to that as not through I shall move to cut down one third or doing justice like fate. If it is right to reduce being germane to the section.

one half, right straight through, serving all at all it is right to reduce all alike. Even- The CHAIRMAN, The question is on the alike. handed justice is what I demand. Therefore amendment first offered by the gentleman from No amendments were offered, and the Clerk I propose an amendment to cut down squarely Massachusetts, [Mr. BUTLER.)

read the remaining paragraphs of the section, one half right through. The committee reduce Mr. BUTLER, of Massachusetts. I with. as follows: the lowest grades almost one third, and the draw it till the section is gone through.

The number of assistant surgeons, the rank of capupper grades of generals, colonels, and lieu- The question being taken on the paragraph tain, shall be seventy-five; tenant colonels, who attend balls and parties

offered by the committee, it was agreed to. That in the ordnance department the number of here in the winter, or have social and political

The Clerk read the following paragraphs of

colonols shall be reduced to two; of lieutenant colo

nels to three; of majors to seven; of caplains w influence in Washington, who stick like leeches, the section :

eighteen; of first lieutenants to fourteen; and of because of their influence are reduced very The number of commissaries of subsistence with

second lieutenants to eight. little. As many as are wanted for the good of the rank of major shall be reduced to six.

And immediately upon the passage of this set the the service let us keep. I propose that Con.

The number of commissaries of subsistence with

Secretary of Warshall prepare lists of all the oficers the rank of captain shall be reduced to twelve.

now in active service in each of the staff corps, in gress shall be just in its measures, and cut off The number of assistant paymasters general shall

excess of the number in each grade authorized by all alike squarely. Make the deduction one be reduced to one.

the provisions of this section. Said list to be made third or one lialf; settle the question as to

The number of paymasters shall be reduced to

in accordance with the provisions of the eighth and forty.

ninth sections of this act; and all officers so placed what shall be the deduction, but when you have The number of surgeons with the rank of major

on said lists shall be in like manner relieved on balf done so strike as the justice of God strikes,

shall be reduced to forty. directly, and not yield this way or that to save Mr. BUTLER, of Massachusetts. On this

Mr. BUTLER, of Massachusetts. I nor personal, political, or social favorites. question of paymasters I want to call attention

offer the substitute for the section which I send (Here the hammer fell.]


to the Chair, and I ask a vote upon it. Mr. PILE. I rise to oppose the amendment

line simply for the purpose of saying that what I l of infantry, and I hope the House will never That the whole number of officers serving in the intended to say and what I think I did say with agree to more than twenty regiments of in

above-named staff departments shall be reduced one reference to the process of reduction was this: fantry, and more than five of cavalry and three

half, the officers retained to be designated by the

General of the Arny, and those not selected to be that it was the opinion of the Secretary of War of artillery. If those regiments are full they retained shall be mustered out on the 10th day of and my opinion, from information received at will give you an army of twenty-nine thousand

March next. the War Office, that a careful and rigid examinsix hundred men. The regiments reported by

Mr. BUTLER, of Massachusetts. I desire ation would reduce for cause the subordinate the committee call, when full, for forty-four to call the attention of the House to the differofficers of the Army now in service one fourth; thousand four hundred men. The committee ence between the modes of selection provided that at the rate dismissals had been occurring only provide for twenty-five thousand men in by the Committee on Military Affairs, and by recently, some of them for crime, others for this bill by another section, but they do not cut the amendment. The chairman of the com: drunkenness, and others for absence without down the number of regiments to call for the mittee (Mr. GARFIELD] proposes to have the leave, or other acts of inisconduct, the reduc- || proper number of inen only. They propose to selection made in this way: to have a list of tion in the course of eight or ten months would keep a large number of the regiments hall full, ll these staff officers made out, and then have the approximate one fourth. Now, the number of the effect of which is to enable them to retain selection of those to be mustered out or reofficers rendered supernumerary by the pro- double the number of officers. It is the old tained made from the youngest in office. The visions of this bill is a little more than one sore shot which we have been probing, all the cat under that meal is this: that the youngest fourth, so that by the time the major gener- while holding on trying to save the officers. officers being volunteer officers who have lately als, for whose dismissal or muster out the bill There are sixty-four paymasters now to pay

been appointed since the war, every volunteer as amended by the House provides, shall have those regiments, and they do not propose to officer on these staff departments will be swept been relieved, if we shall amend section eight cut them down to less than forty-five. Now, | out, and the old Army officers kept in. That so as to appoint a board of officers to examine why cannot one paymaster do more than pay

is exactly what is meant here. "Eternal vigthe qualification of officers and their fitness one thousand men when the rolls are all made for retention, at the rate of reduction now out for him? I should like to know why, officers in our Army.

ilance is the price of safety" for the volunteer going on by the causes alluded to we shall have especially when each one of these paymaster's understood by the House. The effect of this a reduction of one fourth. Now, I think has a clerk at a large salary, who generally | section reported by the committee will be to this would much better conserve the real knows more than the paymaster about the interest of the country by promoting the effi. business. That has been my experience. The || has been appointed for gallant and meritorioas

turn out of office every volunteer officer who ciency of the Army than any wholesale rouster clerk and company officers do all the work. out of supernumerary officers, whether begin. Now, why should this be allowed

to go on. In || I beard bere last night a very high ealogy

services in either of these staff departments. ning at the top of the list as to rank or at the a manufacturing establishment in Lowell, for

upon the regular Army. Now, I am not going bottom.

$1,500 & year we can find a man who can pay Mr. AXTELL. I wish to ask the gentleman off fifteen hundred hands every month, and

to say a word against the regular Army, but I

am going to state a few facts. I insist that it a question. When an officer is mustered out i keep all their accounts without any clerk. He

was the volunteer army that did the fighting in for drunkenness or incompetency, does his is clerk for all hands. I hear gentlemen say the late war; and I will prove it, and will not place become vacant, and is it to be filled by that the men he pays are all in one house. be long about it either. somebody else? So they are, but they have to be paid every

I hold in my hand the Army Register, which Mr. PILE. Under the law, as it now stands, month. Their wages have to be carried to has their own brag records on the tops of the it becomes vacant, but if the theory of this bill one cent and odd cents, and the whole record is adopted there will be no vacancies except has to be kept for monthly payments. It is rect, but it is their own story, I will state some

pages; I do not think they are very near corsuch as occur in the reduced number of regi- eight times as much work as it is to pay a facts from that register. When the war ended ments; and all supernumerary officers will be regiment. I have seen a paymaster pay a placed on the relieved list and reliöved from Il regiment in an hour and a half. The sums

there was not a single regular regiment of infantry in either of the great armies of the

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Cumberland under Sherman, of the Tennessee ure of retrenchment. He discovers in the under Thomas, of the James and of the Poto proposition "cats” and “meal” in any nummac under Grant. Now, let us see if I do the bers and any quantities; and in order to show regular Army injustice, for I would not do it that the persons legislated about in this bill are for the world. I knew a great many brave and men not very worthy of the consideration of gallant officers in the regular Army-many com- | this Congress or of the country, he undertakes manding volunteers also—and there were a to tell when the several regiments went out of great many that, I will not say anything about. active service in the late war. And how does

The first regiment of regular infantry fought he ascertain it? Why, he opens the Ariny their last battle during the rebellion on the 4th Register, containing a little brief of the battles of July, 1863, and was not any more in active in which each regiment participated, and when service in that war. The second regiment || he discovers the date of the last great battle fought their last battle in the war on the 12th they fought-for only the great battles are and 14th of May, 1864, and saw no more active named-he indicates that as the period when service. The third regiment fought their last that regiment ceased to do any worthy or honbattle in the war on the 2d and 3d of July, 1863, orable service. This treatment of the Army and saw no more active service. The fourth is no more just than it would be for me to’raise regiment fought their last battle in the war on the question when any honorable gentleman the 17th and 20th of June, 1861, and saw no here fought his last battle of the war, and then more active service. The fifth regiment of say that that should be considered the time regular infantry fought their last battle in the when he ceased to do honorable and meritowar on the 15th of April, 1862. The sixth rious service for the country. Sir, it cannot be regiment fought their last battle on the 2d and considered just reasoning to say that the last 3d of July, 1863, and saw no more active ser- great battle in which any regiment happened to vice. The seventh regiment fought their last be mentioned was the date at which it went battle in the war on the 20 and 3d of July, 1863. out of the Army or out of honorable and active The eighth regiment fought their last battle in service in the late war. the war on the 9th of August, 1862, at Cedar Now, here is another specimen of the “ catmountain. The ninth regiment was stationed in the meal”' argument in which the gentle. on the Pacific coast, during the rebellion, and man deals. He says the Comunittee on Milisaw no active service at all so far as the rebel- tary Affairs propose to reduce the staff about lion was concerned. The tenth regimer of one per cent. in the bigher grades, and about regularinfantry fought their last battle in the war twelve per cent. in the very lowest grades. on the 1st of October, 1864, and saw no more He wants the committee and the House to active service. The eleventh regiment fought | strike the Army at the top.

He has great their last battle on the 18th and 21st of August, sympathy for all but those whom the country 1864. The twelfth regiment fought their last has honored by placing them in important stabattle on the the 1st of October, 1864. The tions of trust and responsibility. thirteenth regiment sought their last battle in Now, Mr. Speaker, I desire to say that in the war on the 24th and 25th of November, 1864. his own propositions offered during the con. The fourteenth regiment fought their last battle sideration of this bill, the gentleman does not in the war on the 19th and 21st of August, 1864. ask us to act thus in regard to the two highest The fifteenth and sixteenth regiments fought officers of the Army; but only after we get their last battles on the 1st of September, 1861. below those in high political positions does he The seventeenth regiment fought its last propose to strike down the Army. battle on the 18th and 21st of August, 1864. Mr. BUTLER, of Massachusetts. Is it not The eighteenth regiment fought their last bat- true, as I have said, that your bill would turn tle on the 1st of September, 1864. The nine- out all the volunteer officers ? teenth regiment fought their last battle in Mr. GARFIELD. By no means. the month of August, 1864. The twentieth Mr. BUTLER, of Massachusetts. Will you regiment fought their last battle on the 18th explain why not? and 21st of August, 1864. The twenty-first Dr. GARFIELD. Let me notice, in the first regiment fought their last battle on the 1st of place, the remark of the gentleman that the October, 1864. The twenty-second regiment bill would strike off one per cent. of the bigher fought their last battle in the war on the 24th grades and twelve per cent. of the lower. In and 25th of November, 1863.

The twenty

the case of the head of a Department, con. third regiment fought their last battle on the sisting of a single officer, how can you make 19th and 21st of August, 1864. The twenty. a reduction unless it be a reduction of one hunfourth regiment fought their last battle on the dred per cent. How can you reduce the num1st of September, 1864. The twenty-fifth ber of colonels in a given department when regiment fought their last battle on the 1st of there are only two, unless you make a reducSeptember, 1864. The twenty-sixth regiment tion of fifty per cent. This is an answer to all fought their ist battle in the war on the 21st that argument, if it be an argument at all. of August, 1864.

We have proposed, Mr. Speaker, a reduc[Here the hammer fell.]

tion which I am very sure every man who has The SPEAKER. Thegentleman's time has ever held the position of Secretary of War will expired.

say is the very extreme of reduction which the Mr. BUTLER, of Massachusetts. Very || interests of the service will allow. We propose well; it is the same with the rest of the regi. to reduce the staff corps by one hundred and

ten officers; and all these are officers who by Mr. GARFIELD. I confess myself unable reason of their long service in their respective to understand the operation of the mind of positions are in a great degree indispensable to any man who sees in almost every proposition the administration of the Army. Yet the genthat other men offer something that warrants tleman proposes by the simple rule of division him in calling it a " cat under the meal." I to make a reduction of one half. have not been accustomed so to look at life and [Here the hammer fell.] business and the doings of my fellow-inen. I Mr. BUTLER, of Massachusetts. I call take it for granted generally, when a commit- attention to the fact that the gentleman has not tee of the House of Representatives proposes answered my question as to the volunteer a bill, that the committee consists of honorable officers. men who bring us no “cats under the neal;"? On the substitute of Mr. BUTLER, of Massaand therefore it never occurs to me to hunt chusetts, for the amendment offered by Mr. for them.

GARFIELD, there were-ayes 35, noes 36; no I felt that the Committee on Military Affairs, in bringing in a proposition to reduce the staff Mr. BUTLER, of Massachusetts, called for department of the Army by dispensing with the yeas and nays. one hundred and ten men now in service, were The yeas and nays were ordered. doing a thing which would commend itself as The question was taken ; and it was decided a measure of economy-of severe retrench- in the affirmative-yeas 66, nays 54 ; not voting ment. But the gentleman from Massachusetts 78; as follows: thinks this low and poor and mean as a mean. YEAS-Mosers. Amos, Arnell, Axtell, Bailoy,

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one regiment. There are also six regiments of schools of Washington and Georgetown, Dis- object is, of course, to provide that all those colored troope, four infantry and two cavalry, trict of Columbia, remonstrating against the States which may be admitted previous to the enlisted men being colored soldiers. We do passage by the House of Representatives of the November next, shall be entitled to vote for not propose to disturb the present proportions bill (H. R. No. 009) transferring the duties of electors of President and Vice President; and of the Army in that regard. We propose there trustees of colored schools of Washington and that the States, if any, which shall not then shall be three colored regiments of infantry | Georgetown to the trustees of public schools.

have been restored to the Union shall be ex and one regiment of colored cavalry. I now On motion of Mr. WELKER, the communi. cluded from participation in the presidential yield to my colleague on the committee to cation was referred to the Committee for the election. The text of the resolution would offer an amendment. District of Columbia.

exclude Tennessee, inasmuch as she was íulls Mír, WASHBURN, of Indiana, I wish to

restored to the Union previous to the passage

MILITARY PEACE ESTABLISHMENT. move an amendment that all the regiments of

of the original act concerning reconstruction. the Veteran Reserve corps shall be retained.

The House resumed the consideration of the The SPEAKER. The gentleman will rebill (H. R. No. 1377) to reduce and fix the

The sole object of the proviso reported by the duce his amendment to writing, military peace establishment.

Committee on Reconstruction is to relieve lenMr. SCHENCK. I have an amendment

The SPEAKER. The Chair will state the

nessee from the terms of the resolution.

Mr. ELDRIDGE. Will the gentleman from here which, I think, will meet with the gentle condition of the question: the gentleman from

Massachusetts inform the House by what authorinan's acceptance. It is to insert in this sec.

Ohio (Mr. GabrieID) moved an amendmentity this House or the Cougress can undertake tion at the end of the second line, "four of

in the nature of a proviso to the section. The toexclude any State from the right of representa: which shall be regiments ofthe Veteran Reserve gentleman from Indiana (Mr. Washburn) pro- tion in the Electoral College? Under whnt procorps, and four regiments of colored troops. poses to amend the original text. That will be Mr. WASHBURN, of Indiava. I accept reserved till after the foriner is considered, as

vision of the Constitution can Congress declare

that a State shall not be represented? The gen. that. It is an amendment which should be

it is not an amendment to an amendment. tleman seems to think this a very plain maller, adopted. Every officer in that corps has been

Mr. GARFIELD. · I withdraw my amend. wounded or disabled in the service of the counment till the other is voied upou. Tvow yield the House should vote under the operation of

and one on which, I infer from his remarks, try. If any individuals have any claim on the

to the gentleman from Massachusetts, [dir. the previous question ; and yet the gentleman Army it is these wounded :und disabled officers. BOUTWELL. )

has not undertaken to give us the authority by They are in the Army and they should not be


which Congress can exclude a State from rep: mustered out. If any one is turned out or

Mr. BOUTWELL. I report back from the resentation in the Electoral College. I would dropped from the Army it should not be those Committee on Reconstruction the joint resolu. be glad to hear from him on that point and to who have been wounded and disabled in the ser- tion (S. No. 139) excluding from the Electoral

understand upon what he bases the authority vice. If any are to be turned out rather let it

College votes of States lately in rebellion which of this Congress to act in that behall. be the robust and alle-bodied who can take shall not have been reorganized, with amend.

Mr. BOUTWELL. I cannot go at great care of themselves, and not the wounded otliments.

length into all the circumstances by which these cers and soldiers who have fought and suffered The SPEAKER. The consideration of this | States, through the influence of the gentle for the country. If they are turned out they

resolution at this time requires unanimous con- man's political friends, lost their represents will become pensioners. If they were not in Is there objection?

tion in the Congress of the United States; but ihe Army they would be drawing pensions, and Mr. PHELPS. I object.

it so happened that they did withdraw serea we are saving money by keeping them there. Mr. BOUTWELL. I move to postpone the or eight years ago and they have not yet been MESSAGE FROM TIIE SENATE.

bill under consideration in regard to the re- readmitted to representation here. But I say

duction of the Ariny for the purpose of reportA message from the Senate, by Mr. Gorham,

to him that I suppose the purpose of the major its Secretary, announced that that body had ing ihe joint resolution.

ity here, and, I take it, the purpose of the Visagreed to the amendments of the Senate to

The motion was agreed to; and the House country unmistakably is to hold these Stutes »andry bills concerning pensions, asked a con

proceeded to the consideration of the joint in the grasp of the loyal people of the country Terence on the disagreeing votes of the two resolution reported by Mr. BoutweLL.

until they are reconstructed under loyal iutu flouses, and had ordered that Messrs. VAN

The joint resolution was read as follows: ences, with loyal majorities, loyal State govern VINKLE, TRUMBLE, and EDMUNDS, be the con

Beit resolved by the Senate cond Ilouse of Representa ments, and until loyal Representatives and Sen

ratives, &c., That none of the States whose inhabitterees on the part of the Senale. ants were lately in rebellion, and which States are

ators are elected to Congress, and wheu all The message further announced that the not now represented in Congress, shall be entitled to

those things have transpired, then, as 1 supa Senate had agreed to the committee of confer:

representation in the Electoral College for the choice pose, these States are to participate in the elec

of President or d'ice President of the United States, tion of President and Vice President of the coce on the disagreeing votes of the two Houses por shall any clectoral vote be received or counted United States. on the bill (H. R. No. 005) making appropri- from any of such States unless at the time prescribed itions for the legislative, executive, and judi. by law for the choice of electors the people of such

Mr. ELDRIDGE. The gentleman from States, pursuan: to the acts of Congress in that be- Massachusetts has certainly not answered, if cial expenses of the Government for the year hall, shall have, since the 4th day of March, 1867, tinuing June 30, 18699. adopted a constitution of State government under

he has attempted to answer, the question which which a State government shall have been organized Also, that the Senate had passed without

I propounded to him. I ask him for the authorand shall be in operation, and uoless such election amendment the following bills and a joint res. of electors shall have been held under the authority

ity by which Congress may exclude States from

their representation in the Electoral College, olution of the House :

of such constitution and government, and such States
shall have also become entitled to representation in

and he tells us that by the action of myself and A bill (H. R. No. 1119) for the registration

Congress, pursuant to the acts of Congress in that my friends these States have ceased to be in a and enrolment of certain foreign vessels; behalf. A bill (H. R. No. 201) declaratory of the

position whereby they have a right to vote or Mr. BOUTWELL. The Committee on

to act in this capacity. The gentleman need law in regard to officers cashiered from the Reconstruction have directed me to move the not tell this House any such thing as that

, for Army by sentence of a general court-martial; following amendments:

he knows, and I know and God knows that it A bill (H. R. No. 1080) for the relief of

Strike out the words “and which Statos are not is not so. [Laughter on the Republican side Edward B. Allen; and

now represented in Congress.
Strike out the word "and" after the word "opera-

of the House.] } Joint resolution (H. R. No. 281) author

I tell the gentleman from Nustiov," and insert the word "nor.'

sachusetts that the war was a success against izing the issue of clothing to company F, eight- Add the following proviso:

the rebellion, and these States were saveů 10

Provided, That nothing herein contained shall be eenth regiment United States infantry. construcd to apply to any State which was repre

the Union, and he cannot humbug me or this The message further announced that the

sented in Congress on the 4th of March, 1867. Senate had passed bills of the following titles,

Congress or the people by declaring that we in which the concurrence of the House was re- So that the joint resolution, as amended, have kept them out or that we liave taken any will read as follows:

step that has that effect. I say to the gentle. quested:

That none of the States whose inhabitants were

man that every State that ever belouged to this A bill (S. No. 567) relative to the Freed.

lately in rebellion shall be entitled to representation Union is to-day in this Union. men's Bureau, and providing for its discon- in the Electoral College for the choice of President Mr. MULLINS. I advise the gentlemad

or Vice President of the United States, nor shall any tinuance; and electoral vote be received or counted from any of

not to call on God about this question. A bill (S. No. 16) devoting a portion of the such States, unless at the time prescribed by law for

Mr. ELDRIDGE. The gentleman will nat Fort Leavenworth reservation for the exclusive the choice of electors the people of such States, pur- interfere with me I trust. We shall be enlightuse of a public road.

suant to the acts of Congress in that behalf, shall
have, since the 4th day of March, 1867, adopted a

ened by his eloquence wben the gentleman tropp CONTRACTS FOR COAL.

constitution of State government, under which a Massachusetts yields the floor to him. (Laugh

State government shall have been organized and The SPEAKER laid before the House a let

ter. ] shall be in operation, nor unless such election of

I electore sball have been held under the authority of ter from the Secretary of the Navy, transmit

say, that if the States are kept out at all, such constitution and government; and such States ling, in compliance with House resolution of the

they are kept out, as the gentleman asserts, by shall have also become entitled to representation in oth instant, a communication from the chief of

the grasp of what he ternis "loyal'' men upon Congress, pursuant to the acts of Congress in that The Burean of Equipment and Repairs, rela. behalf.

the ibroats of the States. I deny that loyal Provided, That nothing herein contained shall be

men hold States in their grasp except the live to contracts for the purchase of coal ;

construed to apply to any Stato which was reprewhich was referred to the Committee on Re

States in which they live. The loyal men of sented in Congress on the 4th of March, 1867.

Massachusetts have no more right to hold the Trenchment, and ordered to be printed.

Mr. BOUTWELL. Mr. Speaker, the purpose

State of South Carolina by the throat than the TRUSTEES OF COLORED SCIIOOLS.

of this resolution is so apparent from the read- State of South Carolina has the right to hold The SPEAKER also laid before the House

ing that I presume the llouse will be prepared the State of Massachusetts by the throat, and a communication from the trustees of colored to vote upon it without any explanation. The

prevent her from voting in the Electoral Col


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