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and insert "two clerks," and to strike out bureau one chief clerk and cuts off a large who were denominated war clerks created in
tions of the Senate having the whole subject “$1,600' and insert - $3,200 ;'' in line seven Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. But then you before them, the attention of the Departments hundred and eighty-eight, to strike out two) increase the grades.
having been called to it by the action of the
an appropr and insert" four," and to strike ont"$2,800" Mr. MORRILL, of Vermont. But there is Other House, came to the conclusion that, in the
Tee and and insert "$5,600;" in line seven hundred an actual saving of near four thousand dollars. | particulars indicated by the amendments they and eighty-nine, to strike out “four” and insert Mr. SHERMAN. The Senator from Ver- have reported to this bill, it was not safe to "twenty-five;'' and in line seven hundred and mont proposes to provide an officer for whom leave out this year those clerks who were ap. ninety, to strike out " $4,800" and insert there is no authority of law. There is no chief pointed for that exigency. So following the “$30,000;" so as to make the clause read: clerk in this office now. I ask if the amend- || appropriations of last year, and following the ind ord fb Office of the Surgeon General: ment comes from a committee?
law authorizing the employment of these clerks For two clerks of class four, $3.600; for two clerks Mr. MORRILL, of Vermont. It does not. during that exigeney, we have increased the of class three, $3,200; for four clerks of class two, $5,600; for twenty-five clerks of class one, $30,000; for
Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. Does it not appropriations to cover those particular clerks one messenger, $1,000; one laborer, $720.
come from the Committee on Military Affairs? | appropriated for last year, and also provided The amendment was agreed to.
Mr. MORRILL, of Vermont. No, sir; I for by the statute to which I have referred. The next amendment was in line seven hun
merely introduce it on my own motion based There has been no attempt in this bill to dred and ninety-four, to strike out “three''
upon a letter of the Chief of Ordnance, Gen- classify any of these Departments; in fact, the
eral Dyer. and insert "four,'' and to strike out "$5,400"
Committee on Appropriations have stendily
Mr. SHERMAN. It is against the rule. and insert “$7, 200;"? in line seven hundred
resisted it, and I am inclined to think that the
Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I think, under Senator from Vermont will do well not to press and ninety-six, to strike out " four” and insert
the circumstances, I ought to invoke the " five ;' in line seven hundred and ninety
his amendment, because it is a classification A se rule.
of one bureau in the War Department for seven, to strike out “ $5,600" and insert
Mr. FESSENDEN. Does the rule apply “$7,000 ;'' in line seven hundred and pinety.
reasons which would apply perhaps to all the eight, to strike out “ three'' and insert “five,
to a reduction of appropriations? Is it not Departments. It is simply raising these per and to strike out"$3,600'' and insert“$6,000;"? confined to an increase ?
sons to a higher degree and a larger pay with
Mr. SHERMAN. This is an increase. so as to make the clause read:
out imposing on them any additional duties. Mr. MORRILL, of Vermont. No; it is a Mr. MORRILL, of Vermont. I am rather Office of the Chief Engineer:
reduction. For four clerks of class four, $7.200; for four clerks
surprised, I confess, at the opposition to this of class three, $6,100; for five clorks of class two,
Mr. HESSENDEN. There is no rule amendment. Here is a plain proposition re$7,000; for five clerks of class one. $6,000; for two against it.
ducing the number of clerks in this bureau messengers, at $1,000 each, $2,000; and one laborer,
The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The rule 8720.
from thirty-three to twenty-five, and reducing The amendment was agreed to.
does not apply unless the amendment increases the absolute amount of expenditure nearly the appropriation.
fourthousand dollars. What harm, pray, could The next ameudment was in line eight hun- Mr. SHERMAN. It changes the existing | arise if this practice should be introduced and dred and three, to strike out “one clerk''
law, and is not reported by a committee. cover all the Departments? I would be glad and insert - four clerks," and to strike out The PRESIDENT pro tempore. If it in to see it done. If we can reduce the force, and $1,800" and insert - $7,200;'' in line eight creased the appropriation the proposition would reduce the expenditure at the
same time, who hundred and five, to strike out “four" and
not be in order, but the Chair understands that is to be harmed? Is not the Government beninsert " eight;" in line eight hundred and six; | it does not
. It is an amendment to an amend- efited? If these officers, as I have no doubt to strike out "$5,600'' and insert “$11,200 ;"|
ment without increasing the amount appropri- || is the case, could make their Departments more in line eight hundred and seven, to strike out | ated. It is, therefore, in order.
efficient by employing men of a different grade, "seven' and insert "twenty ;'' in line eight
Mr. SHERMAN. I am rather surprised | why should we not grant them the authority, hundred and eight, to strike out" $8,400' and that my friend from Vermont should propose and cut off from the lower end? I am perfectly insert - $24,000;'' and after “dollars," in
this amendment. It raises nearly all the clerks willing line eight hundred and nine, to insert “two in the bureau of ordnance one grade. It pro- Mr. SHERMAN. The result would be that laborers at $720 each, $1,440;" so as to make
vides for one chief clerk and for six clerks of next session we should have an application the clause read:
class four in lieu of four clerks of that class from this same Department for more clerical Office of Chief of Ordnance:
allowed by the Committee on Appropriations, force, or they would assign temporary clerks For four clerks of class four. $7.200; for one clerk
and instead of twenty clerks of class one it of class three, $1,600; for eight clerks of class two,
to it. I warn the Senator from Vermont that $11.200; for twenty clerks of class one, $24,000; one proposes only three or four, allowing more of if he opens the door in the Bureau of Ordnance messenger, $1,000; two laborers, at $720 each. $1,440.
the higher grades. That raises the question for this kind of reform, as he calls it, he might Mr. MORRILL, of Vermont. I move to we have had so much difficulty about, as to as well take up the whole subject and open it. strike out the clause commencing with line the grade of these employés. Their grade is As to the Treasury Department, we have a bill eight hundred and three, on page 33, and end- now fixed by law, and this is not the time to here carefully prepared, which does in every ing at line eight hundred and eleven, on page
increase it. This application has been made bureau of that Department precisely what he 34, and to insert in lieu of the provision there from nearly every bureau in the Treasury proposes vow to do as to the Burean of Ord. made the words which I send to the Chair. Department, and, if it is done in the Ordnance nance, which proposes to nominally reduce the I merely desire to say that my proposition | Bureau, complaint will be made, and we shall number and increase the salary by promoting reduces the number of clerks from thirty-three be compelled again to go over the subject of the clerks a grade. to twenty-five, and reduces the amount of the grades of the officers in the Treasury Mr. MORŘILL, of Vermont. And reduce expense nearly four thousand dollars. It is Department. We have laid all these applica- | the whole expense. more acceptable to the Chief of Ordnance to tions aside for this session, on the principle Mr. SHERMAN.
It reduces the whole have the clerks in his office classified in the that we would not at this time attempt to
expense nominally ; but that, I take it, will be manner I propose, as I have a letter from him reorganize the various bureaus.
covered up by temporary clerks, and in other showing, and I believe it is satisfactory to the Mr. TRUMBULL. Has it not already been ways. chairman of the Committee on Appropriations. done in the Treasury Department?
Mr. MORRILL, of Vermont. I have no Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. The Senator Mr. SHERMAN. Not at all.
idea that there will be an application next proposes to strike out all in regard to the ord. Mr. TRUMBULL. This bill does it in some
year for any increase of service. I have merely nance office. of the bureaus of that Department.
proposed to change the proposition offered by Mr. MORRILL, of Vermont. Yes, sir, and Mr. SHERMAN. The Senator is mistaken the Committee on Appropriations. They proto insert in lieu of it what I have sent to the about that.
four clerks of class four; I propose Chair, and I ask that it be read.
Mr. TRUMBULL. There are various changes They propose one clerk of class three ; The Chief Clerk read the words proposed to made by the committee throughout this bill in be inserted, as follows: the parts of it relating to the Treasury Depart
pose six." They propose eight clerks of class two; I propose the same.
They propose For chief clerk, $2,000. ment.
twenty clerks of class one; I propose four. For six clerks of class four, $10.800.
Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. Only putting For six clerks of class three, $9,600.
Mr. SHERMAN. In other words the amendin what was left out. For eight clerks of class two, $11,200.
ment promotes them, For four clerks of class one, $4,800. Mr. TRUMBULL. I see in the office of the
Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I have here a For one messenger, $1,000.
Secretary of the Treasury eleven clerks of class For three laborers, at $720 each, $2,160. four provided for instead of five, and so on
table carefully prepared by the chief clerk of Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. This proposition throughout there is quite an increase of the
the War Department for the use of the commay add to the efficiency of the force of that number and an increase of the aggregate
mittee, showing precisely what was desirable bureau, and if the honorable Senator from amount appropriated.
in this office, and we made the bill conform to
it. Vermont is satisfied of that fact, I shall not Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. Perhaps I had
It will be seen by this table that this complain; but the effect of it is, I believe, better state to the Senate precisely how that is.
bureau has its fair proportion of the higher simply to change the grade of the clerks, to The House of Representatives framed this be fair to the other bureaus to allow this in:
classes of clerks, and I think it would hardly transfer them from lower to higher grades. bill on the basis of the peace establishment Mr. MORRILL, of Vermont. It gives the anterior to the war, and left out all the clerks
crease of the higher clerkships to be made here. It will certainly lead to a similar appli
gency. So fare st year, ardy mployment of a
, we have idement Fer those naru:
cation from the other Departments, and I do out $1,200" and insert $3,600;': so as to
For compensation of the chief of the Bureau of
Provisions and Clothing. $3,500; chief clerk, $1,800 ;
one clerk of the fourth class, $1,800; three clerks of tion is on the amendment of the Senator from
tbe third class. $4,800; six clerks of the second class,
senger, $1,000; one laborer, $725.
The next amendment was in lines nine hun.
forty-three, to strike out " two clerks of the
clerk of the fourth class, $1,800; one clerk
of the third class, $1,600;" and after dollars, and in line eight hundred and fifty-five, to strike
in line nine hundred and forty-three, to insert out * twelve' and insert “ fifteen;" so as to "one laborer, $720;" so as to make the clause make the clause read :
read: Building occupied by Paymaster General, onrner
For compensation of the chief the bureau of mediof F and Fifteenth streets:
cine and surgery. $3.500; one clerk of the fourth For superintendent, watchmen, rent, fuel, lights,
class, $1,800: one clerk of the third class, $1,600; one and miscellaneous items, $15,000.
messenger, $1,000; one laborer, $720,
The amendment was agreed to.
The next amendment was in line ten hun-
the same line, after the word “Department,' clerks of the first class, $4,800;" so as to make
to insert "and revised and certilied by the the clause read:
First Comptroller according to law;" so as to
make the clause read:
report, $10,000: Provided, That herenfter the accounts
the First Auditor of the Treasury Department, and $1,000; one assistant messenger, $840; two laborers,
revised and certified by the First Comptroller ac$1,440.
cording to law.
The amendment was agreed to.
and museum for the Department of Agri-
The amendment was agreed to.
$4,000; chief clerk, $2,000; one clerk of class four,
$1.00; and one clerk of class three, $1,600.
For stationery, blank books, freight, express
charges, library, miscellaneous items, and extra cler-
ical help, $10,600; in all, $20,000.
The next amendment was in line ten hun-
dred and ninety-four, to increase the appropri:
ation - for wages of workmen and adjusters''
at the branch mint at San Francisco from
strike out ** $80,000," in line ten hundred and
ninety-six, and insert" in addition to available
one clerk" and
ing proviso in lines ten hundred and ninety-
Provided. That hereafter all the "available prof-
So as to make the clause read:
For incidental and contingent expenses, repairs,
and wastage, in addition to available profits, $69.000.
For the compensation of the chief of the Bureau of The amendment was agreed to.
The next amendment was in line eleven hun.
dred and forty-eight, to increase the appropriaThe amendment was agreed to.
tion "for salaries of clerks, messengers, and The next amendment was after "dollars,''
watchmen in the office of the Assistant Treasm line nine hundred and thirty-one, to insert
urer at New York" from $60,000 to $126,000. one clerk of the fourth class, $1,800; three
Mr. SHERMAN. The Committee on Fi. clerks of the third class, $4,800 ;' in line nine
nance direct me to move to amend the amendhundred and thirty-three, to strike out “four”)
ment by making the amount $157,120, which
is the estimate.
hundred and fifty-one, to increase the appropriation "for salaries of clerks, messengers, and watchmen in the office of the Assistant Treasurer at Philadelphia'' from $15,000 to $24,885.
The amendment was agreed to.
The next amendment was in line eleven hun. dred and fifty-four, to strike out “ six" and insert “ten;" and in line eleven hundred and fifty-five, after the word “thousand" to insert "five hundred and sixty;" so that the clause will read :
For salaries of olerks, messengers, and watoh nien in the office of the Assistant Treasurer at St. Louis, $10,560.
The amendment was agreed to.
The next amendment was in line eleven hun. dred and fifty-seven, to strike out "six” and to insert " nine ;' and in line eleven hundred and fifty-eight, after the word “thousand" to insert six bundred;" so that the clause will read:
For salaries of clerks, porter, and watchmen in the otlice of the Assistani 'Ü'reasurer a New Orleans, $9,600.
The amendment was agreed to.
The next amendment was in line eleven hun. dred and sixty, to strike out " five" and to insert “ six;' and in line eleven hundred and sixty-one, after the word 'thousand" to insert “nine hundred;" so that the clause will read:
For compensation to stamp clerk, cashier, and clerk in the office of the Assistant Treasurer at San Francisco, $6,900.
The amendment was agreed to.
The next amendment was in line eleven hun. dred and sixty-four, to insert “ eight hundred" before the word dollars;" so that the clause will read:
For compensation of the depositary at Santa Fé, and the clerk, watchman, and porter in his office, $4,800.
The amendment was agreed to.
The next amendment was in lino eleven hundred and sixty-eight, to strike out “ three" and to insert " five;'' and also to strike out "five hundred” and to insert “nine hundred and forty ;'' so that the clause will read:
For salaries of clerks in the office of the depositary at Louisville, $5,940.
The amendment was agreed to.
The next amendment was in line eleven h’un. dred and seventy-one, to insert “six hundred" before the word “dollars ;'' so that the clause will read :
For salaries of clerks in the office of the depositary at Chicago, $2,600,
The amendment was agreed to.
The nextamendment was in line eleven hun. dred and seventy-three, to strike out "Wo". and insert “ three" before " thousand ;'' so that the clause will read :
For salaries of clerks and watchmen in the office of the depositary at Pittsburg. $3,400.
The amendment was agreed to.
The next amendment was in line eleven hun. dred and seventy-six, to strike out " three'' and insert seven,
" and also to insert after the word “ thousand the words "six hun. dred ;'' so that the clause will read :
For salaries of clerks and messengers in the office of the depositary at Baltimore, $7,600.
The amendment was agreed to.
The next amendment was in-line eleven hundred and seventy-nine, to strike out "eight" and to insert“ ten,'' and after the word "thousand” to insert the words “two hundred ;' so that the clause will read :
For salaries of clerks in the office of the depositary at Cincinnati, $10,200.
Mr. SHERMAN. I am directed by the Committee on Finance to move to insert "$14,850" instead of the appropriation made in that clause.
Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I desire to say that the appropriation now is precisely in harmony with the provisions of the law. There was an estimate submitted for $4,000 additional, but there was no evidence which authorized the Committee on Appropriations to allow it. If the Senator has information on that subject I should like to hear it.
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thirty-four, to strike"out $5,000. and insert the amendment to the amendment was
Mr. SHERMAN. I bave a letter in my line nine hundred and twenty-two, I move to whether it provided for any increase of the hand from the Secretary, in which he desires strike out the words, " chief of the Bureau of
present force? this amount, on account of the large increased Steam Engineering, $3,500,'' and to insert Mr. SHERMAN. No, sir. character of the business, for the employment | after the words " chief clerk,” in line nine Mr. POMEROY. There has been before of some additional clerical force in the city of hundred and twenty-three, the words of the the Committee on Post Offices and Post Roads Cincinnati, and the Committee on Finance Bureau of Construction and Repair.”
an application for some officer there to be puid concluded to allow it, after examination. The amendment was agreed to.
an additional salary, who shquld have charge Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. If the Com
Mr. MORRILL, of Maine.
On page 38, ll of the foreign mails.
Lasite so as to be satisfied that that additional force strike out the words, “chief of the Bureau of
with that. That relates to the Post Office De. is necessary I submit it to the Senate without
Steam Engineering, $3,500," and to insert partment; this is in regard to the Auditor in opposition. after the words "chief clerk," in line nine
ihe Treasury Department. The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The ques- hundred and twenty-three, the words of the
Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. The amendment tion is on the amendment of the Senator from Bureau of Steam Engineering.''
does not provide for any additional force. It Ohio to the amendment of the committee, to The amendment was agreed to.
simply makes a provision that the Committee strike out “$10,200" and insert “$14,850."
Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. On page 38,
on Appropriations did not feel that they had The amendment to the amendment was line nine hundred and twenty-nine, 1 move to any authority to make without its coming from agreed to. strike out the words “chief of the Bureau of
the Committee on Finance. The amendment, as amended, was adopted. Provisions and Clothing, 3,500," and after the
Mr. POMEROY. While this clause proThe next amendment was to add at the end words " chief clerk," in line nine hundred and
vides for the office of an Auditor of the Treasof the bill the following section :
thirty-one to insert of the Bureau of Provis- ury, he is the Auditor who andits the accounts SEC. 2. And be it further enacted, That the provis- ions and Clothing."
of the Post Office Department. lons of section ten of an act making appropriations The amendment was agreed to.
The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The ques. for sundry civil expenses of the Government for the year ending Juno 30. 1863, and for other purposes, Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. On page 3, line | tion is on agreeing to the amendment offered approvod March 2. 1867. be, and they are hereby, extended to one additional newspaper in the District fifty-two, in the clause "one special policeman, || by the Senator from Ohio. of Columbia from the date of the approval of said $864," I move to strike out “$864" and to
The amendment was agreed to. act, the same to be selected by the Clerk of the Houso insert “ $1,000."
Mr. SHERMAN. On page 23, line five hunof Representatives.
The amendment was agreed to.
dred and forty-two, I move to strike out "sis" The amendment was agreed to.
Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. On page twenty,
and to insert" eight," before "million," so The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The amend- line four hundred and seventy-nine, I move to
that the clause will read: ments reported by the Committee on Appro- strike out “ four" where it first occurs, and to
For salaries and expenses of collectors, assessors, priations are now gone through with, with the
assistant assessors, revenue agents, inspectors, and insert "five."
suporintendents of exports and drawbacks, together exception of the amendment which was passed Mr. SHERMAN. I have an amendment to with the expense of carrying into effect the various over on page 18, from line four bundred and that clause.
provisions of the several acts providing internal thirty-one to line four hundred and thirty-eight, Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. Willit cover that?
revenue, excepting items otherwise estiinated for,
$8,000,000, in relation to the clerks of the First Auditor
Mr. SHERMAN. Yes, sir. of the Treasury, which will now be read.
Mr. TRUMBULL. That is quite an imMr. MORRILL, of Maine. Very well; then Mr. SHERMAN. Let that be passed over
portant amendment. I should like to hear an I withdraw my amendment. for the present. I have quite a number of Mr. SHERMAN. I am directed by the
explanation of it. amendments to offer from the Committee on Finance. ber of amendments to this bill, and I will com
present expenditures of the Internal Revenue The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The amend
Bureau are something over nine million dollars. mence on page 20. In line four hundred and ment will be passed over if there be no objec
The estimates for this year were $9,000,000; seventy-seven I move to strike out "seven?
but the Committee on Appropriations of the tion.
and insert "nine;"' in line four hundred and Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I have some seventy-nine I move to strike out "twenty: | official information on the subject, went upon
House of Representatives, without having any other amendments that I desire to offer. On | four” and insert " forty;" in line four hundred page 36, line eight hundred and eighty, I move and eighty I move to strike out the words - four
the supposition that the reduction of the rep. to strike out the words “chief of the Bureau of them transferred from Third Auditor's of
enue would, as a matter of course, reduce the of Yards and Docks, $3,500 for.” That officer || fice;' in line four hundred and eighty-one I || had on this subject, and I will read what is
expenditures. Careful examinations have been receives compensation as an officer of the move to strike out" thirty" and insert thirty- said by Mr. Rollins in regard to it. Senators Navy, and this appropriation is not necessary. seven ;' in lines four hundred and eighty-three The amendment was agreed to.
will observe that this item covers the salaries and four hundred and eighty-four I move to Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. On page 37, || strike out the words in parenthesis “including
and expenses of collectors, assessors, and the line eight hundred and ninety-two, I move to additional to two clerks of class three trans
army of officials employed by the Internal Rev.
enue Bureau. Mr. Rollins says: strike out the words "chief of the Bureau of
ferred to class four;'' and at the end of the Equipment and Recruiting, $3,500." clause I move to strike out “$191,060" and
, "The amount actually drawn from the Treasury
thus far during the present fiscal year to meet the The amendment was agreed to.
to insert “$229,160;" so that the clause, if expense of assossing and collecting the revenue has Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. On page 37, thus amended, will read:
been at the rate of about nine million dollars per line nine hundred, I move to strike out the For compensation of the Auditor of the Treasury,
annum. Should the changes which I understand the words, chief of the Bureau of Navigation, for the Post Oflice Department, cbicf clerk, nine
Committee of Ways and Means to favor be incor
porated into the statute, I cannot think that the clerks of class four, (additional to one clerk of class $3,500." four as disbursing clerk,) forty clerks of class three,
reduction of expenditures would be more than
$800,000. The receipts last year were, in round nun. Mr. WILLIAMS. Why do you strike those sixty-four clerks of class two, thirty-seven clerks of bers, $265,000,000, and the estimated receipts under out?
class one, one messenger, one assistant messenger, Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. Because they || $229,160. and eleven laborers, employed in his office, in ali
the proposed changes are somewhere about one hundred and sixty million dollars, making a reduc
tion of some forty per cent.; but it will be at once are officers of the Navy and get their pay in Mr. POMEROY. Hasthatamendment been
apparent that the expenses of assessment and colbefore the Committee on Appropriations?
lcction cannot be reduced in the same ratio. AssessThe amendment was agreed to.
ors and collectors are paid a salary of $1,500 per
Mr. SHERMAN. Yes, sir. An amend. annum, and, in addition to this, a commission deMr. MORRILL, of Maine. On page 38, ment covering much broader ground has been
creasing as the collections of the several districts line nine hundred and six, I move to strike referred to the Committee on Appropriations,
increase. It is presumed that there will be no reduc
tion in the salaries paid to these officers, and, as the out the words, “chief of the Bureau of Ord- and I have consulted with the chairman of that rate of commissions decreases with an increase of the nance, $3,500." committee about it; but instead of offering
amount collected, a diminution of collections canMr. COLE. I suggest to the Senator that the amendment in broad terms, as I proposed
in a corresponding diininution of commis
sions. The amount paid for rent of offices cannot be by these amendments he leaves each clause to to do, I will take it up in detail, changing and materially reduced, and many other incidental exread, " for compensation of the chief clerk,' modifying the bill so as to meet the case. The
penses will be as great when small amounts are col&c., without specifying the bureau. amendments I shall offer are not quite so
lected as now. In some of the city districts there cau Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. The words of extensive as the Finance Committee reported.
be under the proposed changes a reduction in the
number of assistant assessors, but in a large portion the Bureau of Ordnance" should also be in- This identical matter has been submitted to the of the country at present there is but one assistant serted in line nine hundred and seven, after the Committee on Appropriations,
assessor for a county, and in some cases one of these words "chief clerk." I add that to my amend- Mr. POMEROY. If the rule has been com
officers attends to two or three counties. Of course;
so long as taxes are to be collected from distillers and ment. plied with, I have no objection.
brewers, or in fact so long as taxes of any kind are to The amendment was agreed to. Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. We had notice
be collected, an assistant assessor cannot effectually Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I ask to have a of the amendment, and considered it.
supervise much more territory than he does at present.
It is understood to be the intention of the Comsimilar amendment made in the clauses relat- Mr. SHERMAN. If any Senator desires mittee of Ways and Means to recommend the imposia ing to the Bureans of Yards and Docks, Equip- an explanation of this amendment, I have here manufacturers those products are exempted frem ment and Recruiting, and Navigation, by insert- a long letter from the Auditor of the Treasury ing the title of the bureau after the words
for the Post Office Departınent, which can be subject, and it is evident that the expense of asserine "chief clerk." read. The Committee on Finance have exam
a tax of one tenth or one half of one per cent. will be The PRESIDENT pro tempore. That ined it carefully. This amendment continues
as great as that of assessing a tax of five per cent.
While the amount of work to be performed by reramendment will be made. the present force.
epuo officers will somowbat diminish, I cannot think Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. On page 38, Mr. POMEROY. I was about to inquire
the reduction of expenses can safely be estimated at more than $890,000."
In addition to that the new tax bill now House drew from the fact that $6,000,000 was The Cher CLERK. The amendment is on
In the oflice of the Secretary of the Treasury and
tho several bureaus, including copying, labor, bindthe Secretary of the Treasury, stating that if finding that the appropriation last year was ing, sealing ships' registers, translating foreign lanonly $6,000,000 were appropriated undoubt- $6,000,000, and that no deficiency was asked guages, advertising, and extra clerk hire for prepar
ing and collecting information to be laid before edly the amount would be exhausted by next for this year, and not being apprised that the
Congress, and for miscellaneous items, $100,000. winter, and a deficiency would have to be services of this Department for this year are
Mr. CONNESS. And the bill now reads called for. I see no object in the world, as any larger than those of last year, we very
"$10,000?" the mere amount of the appropriation cannot readily accepted the proposition from the
Mr, TRUMBULL. Yes. limit the amount of expenditures, in cutting House, and took it this year at what it was
Mr. SHERMAN. The Senator must not down the amount in this way. We might as well make an appropriation sufficient to cover Then there is another consideration about
suppose that this is an increase. Formerly we the expenditures. As the expenditures are it which I submit to the Senator from Ohio,
used to appropriate for the contingent expenses
of each bureau; but here they are all put regulated by law and the amount of the sal- and that is, that we are to meet together again aries, and the commissions and the expenses in December, and if it should be found then
together. It is probably a less amount than is of the offices are fixed by law, there can be no that this fund of $6,000,000 is running short
Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. It is something object in catting down the mere aggregate an application for an increase can then be of appropriation. made.
like $36,200 less.
The amendment was agreed to. Mr. TRUMBULL. Does not a portion of Mr. SHERMAN. The report of the Com. the $8,000,000 go to pay special agents and missioner of Internal Revenue shows that the Mr. SHERMAN. On page 23, after line others appointed ad libitum?
expense last year was a little over nine million five hundred and fifty-seven, 1 move to insert Mr. SHERMAN. Yes, sir; it does. dollars. For the current year now running
the following: Mr. TRUMBULL. Then it is not fixed by on I have already read the statement of the For temporary clerks in the Treasury Depart
ment, $150,000: Provided, That the Secretary of the law, because the Secretary of the Treasury Commissioner, that the expenditures are on
Treasury be, and he is hereby, authorized, in his dismay appoint as many agents as he pleases the basis of about nine million dollars. It is cretion, to classify the clerks according to the charand pay them what he pleases. not worth while for us to appropriate much
acter of their services. Mr. SHERMAN. There are probably three less. We propose to appropriate $8,000,000 ;
Mr. TRUMBULL. Is not tbat an increase? or four hundred officers whose pay is not fixed and, indeed, I have no doubt that a deficiency
Mr. SHERMAN, No, sir; it is a little less by law. I think the pay of some of those spe- will be called for, even with that sum. It
than it was.
I will explain the matter to the cial agents is fixed by law. At any rate, the is scarcely worth while to make appropriations Senate so that they will understand it. The whole thing is regulated by law. The law in with a view to deficiency bills. We had better ordinary appropriation for temporary clerks and that case authorizes the Secretary of the Treas- appropriate at once what is sufficient. Let for the extra allowance to officers is $210,000. ury to make certain allowances, and they all me say here that there is no country in the We had a good deal of controversy here two come out of this fund.
world where the same amount of internal rev. or three times about this item, especially the Mr. TRUMBULL. The more we appro- enue and excise is collected at so cheap a rate extra allowance to officers and employés. Early priate the more of these persons may be em- as in this country. The entire expense of col- this session a bill was introduced and referred ployed. My understanding is that there is no lecting our internal revenue is less than four to the Committee on Finance reorganizing the limitation upon this authority. The Senate per cent.-between three and four per cent. Treasury Department, which would absorb this passed a bill some months ago, I think, limit- In England it is over six per cent. A great item, and which provided for a redistribution ing the namber of special agents to be employed || deal of misapprehension exists in the public of the employés of the Treasury Department; in the Departments, and regulating the subject; || mind in regard to the expense of collecting but the Committee on Finance, after some conbut it has never passed the other House, and our internal revenue. The expense of collect- sideration, concluded that now was not a favorhas not become a law. My understanding is | ing the internal revenue is a little less pro able time for the reorganization of the Treasury that the Secretary is exercising the authority, | rata than the expense of collecting customs, Department. That bill generally increased the either with or without law, to appoint special | although the great body of them is collected compensation of the employés. It will, howagents and fix their compensation, and that we in the single port of New York, the entire ever, be necessary for the present to keep up have these agents all over the United States. expense being about pine million dollars for an appropriation for temporary clerks. Every Now, if we appropriate $8,000,000 instead of collecting about two hundred and sixty-five one of these clerks is now employed. They $6,000,000, we know that the pressure will be million dollars of internal revenue, and the are divided among the different bureaus. The very great to get these places, and very likely expense of collecting customs being about the great body of them, I believe, are bow in the å great many more will be appointed than same-nine million dollars-for collecting a Second Auditor's office and the other Auditors' would be if a less amount was appropriated. | much smaller sum in gold. I merely make othices. They are all now employed, and prob
Mr. SHERMAN. That does not follow at that observation in passing to show that this ably a greater number than this appropriation
provides for would be required. It is necesof the compensation of collectors and assess
Mr. POMEROY. There are districts where sary to keep up this appropriation. I have ors and all expenses of the internal revenue. the expense does not exceed one per cent. here letters witbout number that I could read If Congress has been onwise in allowing the Mr. SHERMAN. That may be; but I am to tbe Senate upon it. I have a letter from appointment of special agents to too great a taking the whole country together.
the Secretary of the Treasury stating that he number, Congress should change that law; but
The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The ques- cannot get along without these clerks; and I as a matter of course that will not affect the tion is on the amendment offered by the Sen- have no doubt of the fact. The Committee on amount to be appropriated. The Committee ator from Ohio.
Appropriations examined it, and I believe they on Finance took a business view of the sub- The amendment was agreed to.
are satisfied of the fact. I have nothing further ject. My own impression is that the expense Mr. SHERMAN. On page 23, line five hun- to say in regard to it. It is a matter of which of collecting the revenue will come to about dred and fifty-four, I move to strike out the every Senator can judge as well as I. nine millions probably next year, as this year, word ten" and insert 16 hundred." It It must be remembered that the Treasury and a deficiency will be called for ; but it is is evidently a mistake.
Department are now discharging duties grow. utterly idle to cut down the appropriation from
Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I think that is so. ing out of the war. The House Committee on nine to six millions without any reason. Expe;
The PRESIDENT pro tempore. Let the Appropriations cut down this bill upon the rience has shown that $9,000,000 is required amendment be reported.
basis of expenditures before the war. That to carry on that service.
Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I should like to might possibly be correct as to some of the Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. The estimates state first how that happened. This is the Departments, but it is not as to the Treasury for this year are $9,000,000. The appropria appropriation for the contingent fund for the Department. The great mass of accounts that tion last year was $6,000,000. The
House of Treasury Department. Heretofore the contin- sprang up during the war are now going through Representatives, in presenting the bill to the gent fund has been divided between the Treas
the different offices there. It is necessary to Senate, followed the appropriation of last ury proper and the heads of the various bureaus.
preserve and continue the war force until those year, The Senator from Obio perhaps knows, Now they are all put under the head of the claims are disposed of. In my judgment, withbut I do not, whether the $6,000,000 last year Department, and I think very properly so ; and out additional clerical force beyond what was was found to be adequate for that service. the estimate was $136,200. We struck out the fixed as the regular force before the war, it is
Mr. SHERMAN.' No, sir; there was a appropriation for the bureaus, and gave the impossible to carry on the operations of the deficiency.
entire sum to the head of the Department for Treasury Department. Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I do not think distribution among the bureaus, holding him Mr. TRUMBULL. I do not suppose it is there has been any deficiency this year; and
responsible instead of the heads of the bureaus. of any avail to try to resist an appropriation unless there was a surplus from a former year,
The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The amend- for anything that is asked for by the Treasury it would appear that the inference which the ment will be reported.
Department. This is an old acquaintance under
be and he
23 te public
a new name. We used to call this extra com- of course, to the amount of the appropriation. | authorized to classify the clerks. If that relates
hi But if you will look through the bill you will cated by the statutes, we turned over to the duties for which they are capable and will be find that he has been increasing the clerks at Committee on Finance the applications from paid the compensation attached to that grade. the rate of a score at a time all along through the Treasury Department, from the War De- Unless it is with a view of fixing the salaries, the bill, upon the ground that the House of partment, &c., for the continuance of tempo- || I hardly see why it can be necessary. Representatives had made a mistake in framing | rary clerks. Now, the Senator from Ohio, Mr. CONNEŠS. Mr. President, these matthe bill, and had framed it on the old peace having examined that subject, comes here and ters involving the employment of clerks in the establishment when there was not near as much moves for an appropriation of $160,000. Treasury Department and expenditures there business in the Treasury Department as there Mr. TRUMBULL. One hundred and sev. seem to be mysterious at least. The more we is now. A very few moments ago the number enty-five thousand dollars.
hear them discussed the less we know about of clerks was increased very largely in some Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. One hundred | them. The honorable chairman of the Comof the bureaus of the Treasury Department; || and fifty thousand dollars I believe his propo- mittee on Appropriations does not appear to and we find by looking at the bill all along sition is.
give us much information. The most material through it amendments increasing the number Mr. SHERMAN. One hundred and fifty sources of expenditure there he tells us he of clerks. I have right before me now, on thousand dollars is the amount.
knows nothing about; and it is but a guess of page 17, an increase of six clerks of class four; Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. In lieu of that is the highest class of clerks, I believe, $210,000 appropriated last year, telling you service at best, Outside of and over the door they have in the Departments, an increase from that a certain portion of this temporary force of that great granite building the word "mysfive to eleven by this bill. But that was not is still necessary. The Committee on Appro- || tery'' should be written. There is no exact sufficient. It was sufficient to carry all these priations had the same information and exam- information touching the performances there, increases without objection in the Senate, to ined it to some extent. I will state a single nor do the facts appear to be ascertainable. I state that this bill had been framed under a
Take the case of the Second Comp. || had expected great things from the senior Senmisapprehension. Then after getting through troller, whose duties are not less than they ator from Maine, (Mr. FESSENDEN,] who once with all those they come in with a small sum were during the war, but are greater.
presided there, and during whose presidency, of $175,000 for temporary clerks; and the rea- Mr. TRUMBULL. Have we not given him so to speak, of that institution, I supposed all son for that is the same as in the other cases, an additional number of clerks at this session was right, and undoubtedly it was. But at the that this bill has been framed on the basis of of Congress ?
beginning of this session, I think, he introthe business done in the Department before Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. No, sir; we duced a bill here for the reorganization of the
As I said when I rose, I have no have not. I will state exactly how that is, and Treasury Department. It was either at the other object than simply to call attention to I will take that case to illustrate the whole ser- beginning of this or the last session, I forget it; I do not suppose it will be of any use to vice and the action of the committee in regard now. which, it is so long ago. attempt to defeat it.
to it. Here is the Second Comptroller, whose Mr. FESSENDEN. This session. Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. Perhaps I ought | duties are greater than they were during any Mr. CONNESS. And he promised, and the to say a word in explanation for the benefit of part of the war, who is himself a laborious press promised upon the presentation of that the Senator from Mlinois, if of nobody else. I || and very meritorious officer, as everybody || bill, that what was unascertainable heretofore once stated, but I suppose it escaped the atten. knows who knows anything about his office. would, in the future, be ascertainable ; what tion of the Senator from Illinois, although my The committee on the part of the House cut was impossible to be known would be made remarks were called out by bis inquiry, that him down to the condition of that office before | possible; and that the service would be so the Committee on Appropriations on the part
That was absolutely without justiti- organized that great public benefit would grow of the House seemed to have based this bill
cation, of course. The committee on the part from the reformation, and a great decrease in upon the clerical force authorized anterior to of the Senate have increased that force, giving || public expenditure be the result. I have waited the war. There was an additional clerical force to him the additional clerks which were author- patiently, and if it were not presuming I should wbich was authorized during the war that was ized by what I have denominated the statutes have from time to time called to ascertain left out. The representations to the Committee increasing the war clerical force. But he had where that bill had gone, what had become of on Appropriations on the part of the Senate forty-three clerks in his bureau whom he had it--the bill to reorganize the Treasury Departfrom the several Departments were that the been employing, and who were not provided ment, introduced by the honorable Senator service would suffer by leaving out this last for either by the permanent acts anterior to from Maine. I do not know where it is now. class of clerks, the clerks who were called war the war or by the statutes denominated war I do not know that we shall ever hear of it clerks, and who had been provided for by the statutes; and having given him that, as by ref again ; but we do hear of these $150,000 approstatutes in the years 1863, 1864, and 1865; that ence to page 18 of the bill it will be seen the priations to meet additional clerical service, in many of the bureaus there was still a neces- committee on the part of the Senate did, there demands for twenty, thirty, forty, and fifty sity for continuing these clerks. We had the were still forty-three clerks in his bureau whom clerks here, and as many there, and hundreds information from each of the bureaus in the he had employed last year, and whom we of thousands of dollars for contingent funds. Treasury, in the War, and in the Navy De- became perfectly satisfied were necessary to
My friend, the honorable Senator from Illipartment, and addressed ourselves to the abso- the execution of the work in his bureau ; and nois, with all the perspicacity known to be lute necessity in those several bureaus for a yet there was no law which justified the Com- possessed by him, from time to time endeavors longer continuance of this class of clerks. The mittee on Appropriations in providing for those to reflect light upon this mysterious question ; apparent increase of clerks to which the Sen
forty-three clerks. That is precisely what I but I do not know that he bas made any proator refers here is not, in fact, an increase of understand the Senator from Ohio, as chair- gress. I have heard him until, I will not say I clerks. It is simply a continuance of the clerks man of the Comunittee on Finance, whose have tired, because I always listen to him with provided for by law heretofore, as I have stated. business it is to speak for that Department, to pleasure, but as soon as he comes up on this Therefore, all the amendments which have been be attempting to provide for by this amend. subject, he develops other Senators who by to presented to the Senate by the Committee on ment; and to that extent, of course, he has the defense, and session after session of Con: Appropriations on the part of the Senate have the approval, so far as I understand, of the gress passes, and we have the same order of been to supply clerks absolutely provided for Committee on Appropriations.
things, the same matters under, as he has stated, by law heretofore, and the necessity for the I have no means of knowing, beyond the a little different name, are reintroduced here. continuance of whom became obvious to the facts I have stated, to what extent the tem- I think, if I am not mistaken, that the bill to committee upon as careful an examination as porary force of the several Departments in the | reorganize the Treasury Department went in they were able to give to the subject.
employment of clerks ought to go. But to the the Committee on Finance. Perhaps the chair Now, it is said that outside of the clerks
extent of the forty-three clerks in the Second which were authorized anterior to the war, and Comptroller's office, I am thoroughly satisfied,
man of that committee can tell us something outside of what I have denominated the war from
examination into the affairs of that bureau why we have not to-day the advantage of all
about it; why it has not been reported here ; clerks, there is a large number of clerks called and the force they have already there, and the temporary clerks. How many? The com- force that is required now to keep up that
the experience of the Senator from Maine upon mittee had no precise information on that sub- || bureau, that that provision for forty-three tem
this subject; and why it has not taken the form
of law. ject. They were provided for by an appropri- | porary clerks ought to be made.
I hope that we shall hear from that ation of $210,000 last year, and by former While I am up, I wish to make one remark
bill and know something about it; so that the appropriations for the supply of temporary in regard to the proviso in this amendment of
generous chairman of the Committee on Ap. clerks in the several Departments, at the dis- the
Senator from Ohio. I see it is provided to the appropriation for the Treasury Departa
propriations, who comes forward here and adds cretion of the heads of the Departments, up, that the Secretary of the Treasury shall be II ment, i have no doubt, as he is informed in a