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standing committees; I do not know precisely teen thousand two hundred and ninety-six ;' Mr. SUMNER. Not at all; if anything it how many. Some of these committees meet so that the clause will read :

will make the objection still more important. and do business and some of them do not. I

For compensation of a foreman and twenty-one I am instructedbave the honor of being a member of a com- laborers employed in the public grounds, $19,206. The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The amnend. mittee of the Senate which has not met this The amendment was agreed to.

ments of the Committee on Appropriations are session, to my knowledge. I have received no

The next amendment was in line three hun. not yet gone through with. notice of it, if they have met. I speak of the dred and twelve, to strike out the word “nine''

Mr. SUMNER. The question is on this Committee on Manufactures, presided over by and to insert "eight;" so that the clause will proposed amendment of the Committee on the distinguished Senator from Rhode Island, read:

Appropriations. I was about to say that I was (Mr. SPRAGUE.) I have the honor, also, of

For compensation of two watchmen at the Presi-. instructed by the Committee on Foreign Relabeing a member of another committee which dent's House, $1,800.

tions to oppose the adoption of this amend. has met, and which has important duties to The amendment was agreed to.

ment, and to move instead thereof an appro. perform. Each of these committees employs à clerk. There are, I will not undertake to

The next amendment was in line three hun priation for the officers whose offices it is prosay how many, standing committees in all;

dred and fourteen, to strike out seven hun posed by this amendment to destroy. This but twenty-four, I think, as I judge by a hasty | sand;" so that the clause will read:

amendment is aimed at certain officers in the dred and twenty'' and to insert "

one thou

Department of State; and if you look at it, glance; and every one of these standing com.

you will see it is divided into two clauses. mittees is furnished with a clerk at about

For compensation of the doorkeeper at the President's Ilouse, $1,000.

The first is as follows: eighteen hundred dollars a year, whether they The amendment was agreed to.

"That the act of August 18, 1856, entitled 'An act meot or not; and I undertake to say that not

to amend an act entitled "An act requiring foreign half of them meet at all; at any rate if they do,

The next amendment was after line three regulations of commerce to be laid annually before

Congress," approved August 18, 1842, and for other it is not more than twice a year. For what hundred and fourteen, to strike out the follow. purpose are these clerks furnished to such com- ing clause:

purposes, shall be repealed."

This has now been amended on the motion mittees ? For the benefit of the chairman to For compensation of assistant doorkeeper at the President's llouse, $720.

of the Senator from Maine by making the perform his business, to do his work. I will not say that that is improper. I do not say

The amendment was agreed to.

repeal applicable only to the last section of the

act of 1856, the effect of which is to destroy the that it is improper. I donot know but that it is The next amendment was to strike out lines

office known as that of superintendent of staproper ; but I say if the honorable Senator three hundred and seventeen, three hundred

tistics and one clerk in the office. The section wishes to reduce the clerical force and save the and eighteen, and three hundred and nineteen,

is as follows: Government expense it seems to me it would | in the following words:

"That the Secretary of Stato be, and is hereby, be more proper to begin with the committees For compensation of one night watchman at the authorized and required to appoint one clerk, wbo here in this body which never meet, and have l public stables and carpenters' shops youth of the

shall have charge of statistics in said Department, not even a pretense of any labor to perform, Capitol, $1,000.

and shall be called 'Superintendent of Statistics,'and and still are furnished with a clerk, than to go

The amendment was agreed to.

shall receive a salary of $2,000 per annum, and sball to the Executive Mansion and deprive the Pres

The next amendment was in line three hun

be allowed, as an assistant, one clerk of the third

class, which clerk the Secretary of State is hereby dent of two or three clerks,

dred and twenty-one, to strike out "thirty-six | authorized and required to appoint." In my judgment the President needs all the hundred' and to insert "five thousand;' so That section, it will be observed, naturally aid that he hus. I do not believe that when that the clause will read:

belongs to the statute where it appears.

The the law of 1866 was passed, he was furnished

For compensation of five watchmen in reservation object of this statute is to provide that comwith any more assistants than he needed. The No. 2, $5,000.

mercial information communicated by consuls whole executive business of this country is to

The amendment was agreed to.

shall be reported to Congress, and further, that be performed by three or four or five clerks. The next amendment was in line three hon- consuls shall be bound to procure such informI no not think it is too much. I think he is dred and twenty-four, to strike out “five'' and ation. But you will observe that if the statute entitled to all that assistance, and while I have insert "seven ;'' so that the clause will read : simply provided for the communication of such not the slightest doubt that the honorable chair- For compensation of drawkeepers at tho Potomac information to Congress, and that conguls man of the Committee on Appropriations has bridge, and for fuel, oil, and lamps. $7,000.

should communicate that information to the acted in good faith, honestly in this matter, as

The amendment was agreed to.

Department of State, it would not go far he always does, and believes that here can be The next amendment was in line three hun enough. There must be a provision for the a proper saving, I do think he has made a dred and thirty-one, to strike out“, seven hun

examination and systematizing of that informnmistake. I think the Senate ought not to adopt | dred and twenty?' and to insert "eight hun ation; and this is found in the third section, this amendment. But if the honorable Sen- dred and sixty-four;" so that the clause will which it is now proposed to repeal, under which ator were to substitute for this amendment a read:

the Secretary of State is authorized to appoint proposition that committees of the Senate For compensation of furnace keeper under the old

a clerk, whose duty it shall be to receive, which do not meet over twice a year shall be Hall of the House of Representatives, Soot.

examine, and arrange these statistics. Now, deprived of their clerks, he would save to the

The amendment was agreed to.

the question that you are to decide is, whether Government twice as much money as this does, The next amendment was in line three hun. you are to give up that branch of duty in the and it would come with much better grace from dred and forty-one, to insert after the word Department of State. It was assigned to that the Committee on Appropriations ihan does " Congress,” the words and Supreme Court Department as long ago as 1856, and it has this amendment. room;" so that the clause will read:

been discharged faithfully, I believe, ever since. The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The ques. For compensation of the person in charge of the

You will remember, sir, that only a year or tion is on the amendment reported by the

heating apparatus of the Library of Congress and more ago a superintendent of statistics was committee. Supreme Court room, $1,000.

appointed in the Treasury Department with a The question being put there were on a divis.

The amendment was agreed to.

salary of $3,500 a year. It was the opinion ion--ayes 11, noes 7; no quorum voting.

The next amendment was in line three hun- of the committee that the service done at the Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I ask for the dred and fifty-two, after the appropriation for Department of State in examining, arranging,

compensation of the officers of the Depart- | and reporting these consular statisties might The yeas and nays were ordered ; and being ment of State, to insert the following proviso : | properly be assigned to the general Bureau of taken, resulted-yeas 19, nays 12; as follows:

Provided, That the act of August 18, 1856, entitled Statistics at the Department of the Treasury,

"An act to amend an act entitled 'An act requiring if it were deemed important to continue that YEAS-Messrs. Cole, Conkling, Conness, Edmunds, foreign regulations of commerce to be laid annually Terry, Harlan, Howard, Morgan', Morrill of Maine,

bureau. I have heard some objections to it before Congress,: approved August 16, 1812, and for Morrill of Vermont, Patterson of Now Hampshire, other purposes,

and also that the second section partly on the ground that the present superioPomeroy, Stewart, Sumner, Thayer, Tipton, Trum- of the act of July 25, 1866, entitled "An act making tendent was not in all respects what would be bull, Wade, and Wilson-19,

appropriations for the consular and diplomatic ex. NAYS-Messrs. Bayard, Daris, Dixon, Doolittle,

desired for the place. On that, however, I do penses of the Goverament for the ycar ending 30th Hendricks, McCreery. Patterson of Tennessee, Ross, June, 1867, and for other purposes," be, and the not express any opinion. I think that all the Saulsbury, Sherman, Sprague, and Willey-12. samc are hereby, repealed.

statistics of the Government, what I would call ABSENT-Messrs. Anthony, Buckalew, Cameron, Cattell, Chandler, Corbett, Cragin, Drako. Fessen

Mr. SUMNER. Mr. President

the statistics proper, should pass through one den, Fowler, Frelinghuyson, Grimes, Henderson,

Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. If the Senator | bureau; that it is not expedient to bave one Howe, Johnson, Morton, Norton. Nye, Ramsey, Van Winkle, Vickers, Williams, and Yates-2.

will allow me, I wish to amend the amend general bureau at the Treasury Department

ment of the committee, by inserting the words and another special bureau at the State DepartSo the amendment was agreed to. is third section of the" in the first line; so as

At the same time, I must observe that The next amendment was in line three hunto read :

the committee in making their present propdred and two, to strike out the words "five Provided, That the third section of the act of losition do not undertake to transfer from the hundred and thirty-eight”' and to insert "seven August 18, 1856, &c.

State Department the bureau which was created bundred and twenty; so that the clause will The PRESIDENT pro tempore. Tbat mod- there in 1856, but they abolish it. They leave

ification will will be made, if there is no objec- all the consular statistics which may be received For compensation to the laborer in charge of the tion.

there, and which now for twelve years have water-closets in the Capitol, $720.

Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. The object of been examined, arranged, and reported by a The amendment was agreed to.

the amendment of the committee is to repeal special clerk in that Department, upprovided The next amendment was in line three hun. that third section instead of the act itself. for. dred and wine, to strike out the words "six- That may obviate the objection which the It seems to me that it is not expedient to teen thousand and eighty" and to insert “pine. Senator may have to it.

touch this subject until we are prepared to

yeas and nays.




systematize it by bringing all the statistics that of subjects kindred to claims, involving legal

mit that there is not a difference so great as are gathered together at one department or inquiries which the Secretary himself could to justify the enormous disproportion in firstaunther into one bureau. No such thing is not undertake to investigate. It was consid- || class agents or employés in the Department. proposed by this amendment. Therefore, I ered that he needed some additional assist:nce Looking at the Treasury Department you will have to submit, that, all things considered, it of that kind; and after a very careful inquiry see that there are no less than nineteen differwill be expedient, at least for the present, not the Senate, according to my recollection, by a ent persons who may be called, though they to adopt the amendment; in short, to leave | large vote, agreed to create an office to be this litile Bureau of Statistics, if it may be so

have another name, Assistant Secretaries of called an Examiner of Claims, with a salary the Treasury. There are first the two Assistant called, or rather this clerkship of statistics at of $3,000. I may say that since that ottice Secretaries of the Treasury who go by that the State Department, to go on for the pres- was created circumstances from time to time name. You have then a Special Commissioner ent as it has for the last twelve years, and mean. have made me considerably acquainted with the of the Revenue, Mr. Wells. You have then a while the committee, perhaps, can take into business that has passed through the hands of supervising architect, who may be considered consideration the expediency of carrying out its incumbent, who is well known, I believe, the suggestion which I have ventured to make,

the Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in to the Senator from New York, Mr. E. Pe- matters of architecture. You have then the by consolidating all these statistical inquiries shine Smith, also of New York. I have director of the Bureau of Statistics, Mr. Delunder one head.

always found him a faithful, attentive, laborious You have then the First Comptroller; That is all that I have to say with regard to officer. It seems to me he has a great deal of then the Second Comptroller; then six Auditthe first part of this amendment; and this business assigned to him, and that he performs ors. Then you have the Treasurer of the brings me to the second.

a very important function in the Department United States; then the Register of the Treas. Mr. CONKLING. Before the Senator leaves of State." A Senator asks me if he is the gen- ury, the Comptroller of the Currency, the this point, I will inquire who holds the place tleman who was once reporter of some of the Commissioner of Customs. hen you have a in this Department now?

New York courts. I understand that he is ; whole bureau recently created of vast importMr. SUMNER. I do not know his name. I a lawyer of learning, of judgment, and of ance, the Bureau of Internal Revenue, with a do not find the name on the list in the Con. industry. I think it would be very hard upon Commissioner of Internal Revenue, and three gressional Directory. I have nothing but that the Department of State to deprive it now of deputy commissioners. Then you have in the before me.

the services of such an officer, one who by Treasury a Solicitor of the Treasury, and an Mr. FESSENDEN. You will find it in the experience has become even more useful than Assistant Solicitor of the Treasury. Besides Blue Book

he was at the beginning. I think that the all these, you have the Coast Survey, with its Mr. SUMNER. I have not the Blue Book | public interests would suffer very much if that enlightened superintendent, Professor Pierce; here. If there is one at the Secretary's desk Office were abolished. This is all I have to say making, as I have already said, more than I should like to have it. In the statute he is upon that at present.

twenty different persons in the Treasury Departcalled a clerk :

And that brings me to the other proposition ment alone, all of them with a compensation "That the Secretary of State be, and is hereby,

to abolish the othce of Second Assistant Sec- equal to that of an assistant Secretary, authorized and required to appoint one clerk, who retary of State. Again I say I think it will be Mr. FESSENDEN. And the light-house shall have charge of statistics in said Department, hard to do that. It would be hard on the genand shall be called 'Superintendent of Statistics,'and

establishment. shall receive a salary of $2.000 per annum, and shail

tleman who now holds that office, Mr. Hunter, Mr. SUMNER. There is also the lightbe allowed, as an assistant, one clerk of the third well known to this Senate, who has been in the house establishment, the Senator from Maine class, which clerk the Secretary of State is hereby authorized and required to appoint."

Department of State now for more than forty reminds me. I had forgotten that. All of these

years, who may be called at this moment the officers have salaries as large, at least, as an In reply to the Senator from New York, I

living index of the Department. I believe it Assistant Secretary of a Department, and some would say that according to the Blue Book the

would be a great loss to that Department and a of them larger. For instance, the Treasurer Superintendent of Statistics is Benjamin F.

detriment to the public interests if his office of the United States has a salary of $6,000; Hail; under the head of " where born,” “New

were abolished. Of course with the abolition the Commissioner of Internal Revenue a salary York;" under the head “whence appointed,'' of his otlice he is set afloal; he is deprived of now of $6,000 also; the Solicitor a salary of “New York.”

his place in that Department where he has Mr. CONKLING. As I have interrupted | labored for forty years; and where he has

$4,000; and the Comptroller of the Currency

$5,000. So much for the Treasury Depart. the Senator once, I beg to inquire whether Mr.

accumulated an experience which nobody else ment. Benjamin F. Hall holds this office now?

in the country has. It seems to me that he is If you look at the War Department you will Mr. SUMNER. I only know by the Blue needed there.

find ihat the number of heads of bureaus there Book. This is all I know about it.

But the question arises, shall we have a Mr. CONKLING. I was about to inquire, Second Assistant Secretary of State? On that

is full as large, if not larger, than in the Treas.

ury Department itself. It is true you no longer then, in what geographical range he exercised

I desire to say a word. Why not? The business have an Assistant Secretary of War, but you his functions, if the Senator knew he held the

of the Department of State is now large and have an Adjutant General with five different office?

assistant adjutant generals; and be it remem. Mr. SUMNER. I know nothing about it increasing. The foreign relations of our Gov.

ernment are more extensive at this moment bered all of them residing in the city of Washbeyond the Blue Book.

than they have ever been before. Our consuMr. CONKLING. I know a great deal

ington, with their names in the Washington lar posts are everywhere-on every coast, in Directory. You have two inspectors general; about it beyond the Blue Book, and I thought

every sea.

Our diplomatic posts are at every the Senator might know what was the geo. considerable capital of the world. Every con

you have an acting quartermaster general, an

assistant quartermaster general, then a depgraphical range of his functions.

sul, every minister communicates habitually Mr. SUMNER. No, I do not. This brings with the Department of State, and his letters

uty quartermaster general, and still two other

quartermaster generals. Then you have a me, then, to the second clause of the amend.

are habitually answered. This cannot be done ment, which is as follows: "And also that the

subsistence department, with also a Commisin a perfunctory way, nor can it be done with: second section of the act of July 25, 1866, en

sary General, an assistant commissary gen. out a great deal of assistance. There must be eral, and an assistant to the commissary gen. titled 'An act making appropriations for the

many minds and many hands employed in the consular and diplomatic expenses of the Gov- conduct of all that extensive correspondence,

eral. Then you have the medical department,

with a Surgeon General, an assistant surgeon ernment for the year ending 30th June, 1867,

and yet there are in the Department of State and for other purposes, ?" shall be repealed, i comparatively few hands. There are fewer than

general, assistant medical purveyor, como In order to understand this amendment, I will there are in any other Department of the Gov

piler of medical records, and five assistant read the section which it is proposed to repeal. ernment; and thus it is that the Department

surgeons. You have then the pay department, It is the second section of the consular and of State, which in the arrangement of our Cab.

with a Paymaster General, and three different diplomatic bill for 1866, as follows: inet was placed at the head, is actually at the

paymasters under him. You have then the

chief of engineers, with a corps of engineers "That the President be, and he is hereby, author- foot in the number of persons that it is able to ized to appoint, by and with the advice and consent

under him. Then you have an ordnance deemploy at home within its own walls. It has of the Senate, a Second Assistant Secretary of State

partment, with a chief of ordnance, an inspector in the Department of State, and also an Examiner the smallest body of clerks of any one of the of armories and arsenals, principal assistant to of Claims for the same Department, whose salary

Departments. shall be $3,000 per annum; and the salary of the

Then allow me, sir, to call your attention to

the chief of ordnance, and also another assistSecond Assistant Secretary of State shall be $3,500

ant to the chief of ordnance. Then you have per annum; and such sums are hereby appro- another distinction. Unlike other Depart

the Bureau of Military Justice, with a Judge priated."

ments, the Department of State has no heads It will be remembered by Senators that this of bureaus; it has no chiefs of sections. It

Advocate General, and four other judge advo;

cates under him.' Then you have a signal section passed after very considerable discussion, in the course of which there were various existing laws it has a First Assistant Secre

department, with a chief signal officer. Then

you have the Bureau of Refugees, Freedmen, propositions, differing in character, and the tary, and a Second Assistant Secretary, and an and Abandoned Lands, with a Commissioner

, Senate at last harmonized on this in the form examiner of claims; and that is all. If you

being the excellent and distinguished Major which it now has. One of the propositions | look at the other Departments, you will see was that we should create an office to be called the difference. Take the Treasury Department.

General Howard, and an assistant commis: a Solicitor of Claims. Objection was made to I know well the difference between the business

sioner under him, and an acting assistant that title, and also, I think, to the salary pro:

adjutant general, commissary of subsistence, proper that passes through the Treasury De- and a chief medical officer. Besides that you posed; but it was felt that something of the partment and the business proper that passes kind was needed there; that there was a vast

have the military department of Washington, through the Department of State. There is deal of business under the head of claims, or difference which I do not disguise; but I sub

with a commandant and an assistant adjutant general,

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I might go through all the Departments of some of it was, I know, and as a general prop: the Senator from Massachusetts has satisfied the Government with the same result. I might osition I think it is true that the additional the Senate that the exigencies of the war still take up the Navy Department and show the force was not contemplated as a permanent exist in the State Department, that although different heads of bureaus there, all of them | addition to the service of the several Depart. || during the war it was not necessary and not confirmed by this Senate, and every one in the ments of the Government to which it was added until 1866 that there should be a Second Ascharacter of his duties not unlike an Assistant during the years 1865 and 1866. Some of it, I sistant Secretary of State, the exigency does Secretary of the Navy. I might go also to the know, was linnited to a period of two years. exist now which did not exist during the war, Post Office Department and show you there Now, sir, I do not know, and have no right then of course the Senate will not concur in three Assistant Postmasters General, But I to know, what influenced the House of Repre- the action of the committee. stop; I will not take your time. I wish to sentatives, but I suppose that this considera- Mr. JOHNSON. I am glad that the honorimpress upon the Senate, if the Senate will ) tion had something to do with it. The House | able chairman of the Committee on Appropardon me, the importance of continuing this of Representatives made no appropriation for priations makes no serious, if any, opposition office in the Department of State. I think you these officers, for the Second Assistant Secre- to this amendment. cannot take it away without interfering essen- tary of State and for the examiner of claims, Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. The Senator is tially with the business of that Department, and which had been provided for by the act of |) mistaken. without doing injustice, which I believe you 1866, as I suppose under the circumstances to Mr. JOHNSON I considered it no serious will not willingly do, to an old and valuable which I have referred. Finding the House of opposition, because he concluded by saying public servant. Because he is called Assistant Representatives to have acted thus, the ques. | that, if the honorable member from MassaSecretary of State I hope you will not argue tion naturally arose in the committee, “What is i chusetts, the chairman of the Committee on that on that account he should be cut adrift. the duty of the Committee on Appropriations | Foreign Relations, supposed that the exigenIt may be said that there ought to be only one on the part of the Senate?'' Shall we concur cies of the war in one sense still existed, perAssistant Secretary of State; I presume to in the proposition of the House? Is it fair to haps the Senate would be for continuing the suggest that as in other Departments there are presume that they have examined this branch | policy that led to the adoption of the original heads of bureaus and functionaries who in point of the service, and understand what its rela- law. of fact in the service that they render are, tions are and what its needs are, and if so, Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I believe my substantially, Assistant Secretaries, so in the what ought the committee to do ?" Finding no language was " if the Senator from MassachuDepartment of State itself there should be more appropriation for these two officers, and finding setts had satisfied the Senate." than one person who should render that class the law upon the statute-book creating these Mr. JOHNSON. I was in hopes that he of service, call him Assistant Secretary of State, two offices, assigning them certain duties, the had satisfied my friend, and I am not entirely or something else, or whatever you please. committee came to the conclusion that per- sure that he has not done so. That will be

In order to present this question for the votes haps it was its duty to submit to the Senate the tested when the vote is given. of the Senate and to present the amendments proposition of dispensing with these offices The war, to be sure, is over, Mr. President, of the committee which are consolidated in altogether; 'for surely it could hardly be ex- and happily over ; but the business of the one, separately, I will move to strike out all pected that Congress would refuse to make an State Department is just as bnrdensome now that part of the amendment of the committee appropriation for offices provided for by law, as it was during the pendency of the war; and which repeals the second section of the act of and vet leave the statute creating them unre- from my knowledge of it, obtained during the July 25, 1866, relating to the examiner of pealed. So the Senate. Committee on Appro- | past three or four years, I am satisfied that it claims and Assistant Secretary of State. priations instructed me to report this amend- is very important that there should be an AsMr. MORRILL, of Mainę. I suggest to the ment.

sistant Secretary of State, even independent Senator that he will reach the same result, per- Now, Mr. President, whether this service is of the value of the particular incumbent. But haps, if he moves to divide the question, so as absolutely necessary or not I do not know. so far as that incumbent is concerned I do not to take the question first on the first proposi- The Committee on Appropriations, I am free | think I exaggerate when I say that his ser: tion contained in the amendment.

to say, had no especial, and no very general ) vices could not be supplied at this time by any Mr. SUMNER. Very well; any way that information on that subject. We are obliged other citizen as well as they are now performed will be agreeable to the Senator. I merely to rely upon such presumptions as arise natu- by him. He has been in the Department for wish to get at the result.

rally from the history of the Government. a great many years, and during a great many The PRESIDING OFFICER, (Mr. Pome- Looking at that, we know that this branch of Administrations, and has given entire satisfacROY in the chair.) Does the Senator from the service got along well enough during the tion to every one of them ; and I am conMaine move to divide the amendment of the war with one Assistant Secretary of State. We vinced that without his aid, they would have committee?

know well enough that the duties of that found it much more difficult to conduct the Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I suggest whether Department cannot be more onerous now than Department as satisfactorily as they have done. it would not be more convenient to the Senator they were during the war. We certainly know As to the other officer, it is equally importfrom Massachusetts in that way.

that during the war we were obliged to provide ant that he should be retained. The claims Mr. SUMNER. If I move to strike out the for additional force in many of the Depart- | against the United States that are presented to last


get at the result, and unless the ments. We had, I think, two Assistant Sec- the State Department are very numerous and Senator from Maine should prefer to have it retaries of War during the period of the rebel- very large, and it is very important for the presented in some other way, will move to | lion; we have only one now,

We had two interests of the Government that there should strike out of the amendment of the committee Assistant Secretaries of the Navy during that be some officer specially charged with the the words:

period; we have only one now. We had, I examination of such claims. That involves, And also that the second section of the act of July think, two Assistant Secretaries of the Treas

of course, a good deal of labor, and requires 25, 1866, entitled "An act making appropriations for ury; I am sure we have but one in fact, though that there should be some officer particularly the consular and diplomatic expenses of the Government for the year ending 30th June, 1867, and for

I think there are two in law, at the present || competent in matters of that kind. I concur other purposes.”

time. But I do not suppose that the Senator with the head of the State Department in The PRESIDING OFFICER. The question

from Massachusetts will contend that the busi- thinking that it is all important that this paris on the amendment to the amendment, strik

ness of the Department of State has increased ticular officer should be retained. He has ing out the words indicated by the Senator from

correspondingly with that of some of the other saved, I believe, thousands upon thousands Massachusetts.

Departments of the Government. While in of dollars to the Treasury, and if he is perMr. MORRILL, of Maine. I will say a word

some of the Departments of the Government mitted to remain there the result will be found or two in explanation of the action of the com

it is practicable to go back to the period an- equally beneficial to the Government. mittee. By the third section of the act of 1866

terior to the war, what would be called the Mr. FESSENDEN. Mr. President, I do a Second Assistant Secretary of State and an

peace establishment anterior to the war, it not know that there is any opposition to the examiner of claims were provided for in these

must be confessed by those who are at all amendment proposed by the Senator from

acquainted with the business of the Govern- Massachusetts ; but I rise simply for the pur. "That tho President be, and he is hereby, author

ment that there are certain departments of the pose of adding my testimony to the fact that in ized to appoint, by and with the advice and consent

Government where the business has really the opinion of the Committee on Foreign Relaof the Senato, a Second Assistant Secretary for the

increased since the conclusion of the war. tions it is necessary to retain both the examiner Department of State; and also an examiner of claims for the same Department, whose salary shall be

That is the case in some of the bureaus of the of claims and the Second Assistant Secretary 83,000; and the salary of the Assistant Secretary of

Treasury. The committee, therefore, felt of State. The office of examiner of claims is State shall be $3,500 per annum; and such sums are hereby appropriated.'

bound to act upon the general information a matter that has grown up in consequence of

within its knowledge, and the conclusion to claims filed which arise out of the war, and of Most of the statutes providing for additional which we came was, that these additional offi- course they are more numerous now than they service in the year 1866 were for temporary

cers, like others, were created during the exi- could have been at any time during the war service, for additional service deemed to be gencies of the war, and were probably not itself. I know that at the time this statute was necessary growing out of the particular circum- expected to exist long afterward; and reason- passed I examined this matter very carefully Sances in which the Government in several ing from this general information, and adopt- with regard to the necessity of having such an Departments found itself at the close of the ing the action of the House of Representatives, l officer, and I came to the conclusion that it war. By an examination of the statutes it will that the House had not chosen to provide for was an assistance the Secretary of State was be seen that almost all the Departments were these officers, on the supposition, as we sup- fairly entitled to. It is perfectly impossible for increased during the year 1866, and in most of prosed, that they were not necessary, the com. him to examine himself the claims that are the laws, I think, for that year this additional mittee deemed it its duty to present this amend- filed in his Department and decide upon them force was regarded as temporary. Certainly

ment for the consideration of the Senate. If without the aid of a good lawyer, and for the



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purpose of having them thoroughly examined experienced men understanding the business loyalty to be a proud submission to something and presented to him it was absolutely neces of the offices, and one Assistant Secretary is or otber of which at the time he was talking sary to appoint somebody, and I bave heard enough, undoubtedly, in each of those Depart

and there seems to be a sort of common lawno objection to the man selected.

As remarked by the Senator from if it were on a large scale it would be, perhaps, With regard to the office of Second Assistant || Massachusetts, that division of labor does not a comity of nations-which obliges the memSecretary of State, it was made for a special | take place to that extent in the Department bers of committees of this body to act, if purpose. Mr. Hunter, who now holds that of State; and thus the Assistant Secretaries are necessary, as efficiently as fiery dragons in oflice, had been chief clerk of the Department | all the men there who answer at all to those defending the Department with which their on a salary, I believe, of $2,000. positions.

committee has relations on every side against Mr. SUMNER. Less than that the greater Now, sir, with regard to the other point, and the incursions and encroachments of the Compart of the time.

that is the statistical matter. My opinion is inittee on Appropriations. Mr. FESSENDEN. Or $1,800 for a great that there ought to be but one Bureau of Sta- This morning we proposed to reduce this number of years, and was a most valuable tistics, to which all these things ougbt to be "magnificent household of the President, as oflicer. He had a family; and a mar. like him, referred. I am unwilling to dispense with the I heard it called three or four years ago in the situated as he was, having been there so long, valuable information that we get by reason of House of Representatives. It shocked my 50 absolutely essential to the proper conduct collecting these statistics. As all of us under- sense then, and it has ever since; but it might of the business of the Department from his ex- stand, they are the digests of communications with great propriety in definition have been perience and intelligence, was fairly entitled made by our consuls abroad with regard to our called a royal household for the Presidenta to a salary wbich would give him a decent trade and commerce and other matters of in- thing gross and unpardonable, as I believed at livelihood in these times; and for the purpose terest. They have been made for the last the time; but certainly unpardonable now. of doing that it was thought advisable and dozen years, and they are valuable; and if the We proposed to reduce it to the point at which proper to create the new office of Second As. || repealing of that branch of the statutes was to Abraham Lincoln uncomplainingly received it, sistant Secretary of State for his special benefit; eventuate in dispensing with this collation of and with it administered the affairs of the Gov. in the first instance for the sake of giving him this information received from our consuls ernment; and immediately the sword of my a salary which was adequate to his services. abroad I should be opposed to it. I think it | gallant friend from Connecticut [l[r. Dixon It was put upon that ground, and it was passed, would have been better for the Committee on leaped from its scabbard. I waited curiously I think, with very great unanimity. He is a Appropriations to liave proposed an amend- to know for which committee he spoke, and at gentleman, I believe, having no politics particu- ment for the transfer of it to the Bureau of length he announced himself, that he appeared larly offensive to nobody, but devoted to the Statistics in the Treasury Department, and of as a member of the Committee on Manufactures! business of his office, and master of the ordi- all the papers relating to it, rather than to have He said it had not met; but I inferred that his nary business of the State Department. Now, | attempted to dispense with it generally. I do business had been to manufacture plausible, in consequence of his old oflice being filled, not know but that if you repeal the statute it although with great respect to him, poor excuses the effect of repealing this law, would be to may go there as a matter of course, and the for continuing expenditures which cannot be just put Mr. Hunter out of office, at a time of papers be transferred; but all the communica- defended. But atier a most gallant, dashing, life when he cannot turn to any other business; tions that are made by our consuls of this in- \ and brilliant foray my friend, the Senator, and it would be very unjust to him to do so. formation, which is of so much value and which permitted an incoming Administration, now

On reflecting upon the subject I am satisfied ought to be collated, are made to the Depart. || that the war is over, now that pardons are put that the office ought to be permanent, without ment of State, and if it is not to be collated out by general law, by proclamations of am. referring to the case of Mr. Hunter at all. there, all

that correspondence with the Depart: nesty, as they are called, in place of being There should be somebody in an office of that ment of State must necessarily be transferred stricken off like hand bills on a machine, as I description familiar with the basiness. I be- to the statistical bureau of the Treasury. You saw them some time ago at the White House, lieve such is the idea in England, though the will notice that this information is very fre- we are permitted to dispense with the pardon Senator from Massachusetts can say a great quently mixed up with political matter, or ing clerk and with the other people who go to deal better how it is there. In that Govern- rather with matter or inforination which is not make up the magnificent appointments of this ment, I understand, there are certain officers perhaps proper to be communicated to the Executive household. holding high rank, assistants, who are per- public at the time when it is collated.

Then we come to the State Department, and manent, and remain as such, men of long ex- Therefore it has been managed in the De. the hunt is headed, of course, by the honorable perience, whose appointments are not political partment of State; so that that which was in Senator from Massachusetts, (Mr. Sumner.] and who are not changed. When Mr. Hunter its nature confidential and ought to be kept who is never found sleeping upon his post shall retire it will be proper, in my judgment, secret should not pass out of the archives of when anybody proposes a suggestion looking to put somebody in his place who has been in the Department itself, and that which was of to curtailment in the Department of State. the Department a long time and is competent general commercial information should be

That is as I supposed it would be. Before to discharge those duties, if such a man can be gathered into a volume by itself. I suppose the Clerk had finished the reading of this found-the ordinary business of the Depart- that is the reason. Still an amendment might | amendment I instinctively turned to the Senment-who knows all about it, where to look be made, undoubtedly, by which allthat inform- ator from Massachusetts to see the orb of the for everything, business which lie has done as ation could be transferred to the statistical chief clerk, which perbaps a chief clerk might bureau which we have now in existence in the

State Department rise and shed light upon the do, to be sure; but which you cannot find | Treasury Department. I am not so particular

impropriety and shortcoming of the Commit

tee on Appropriations. The chairman of the every man competent to do, as prices are at about that, and if the Committee on Appro- Committee on Appropriations says that the present, who would do it for the salary of a priations think it necessary to repeal the law honorable Senator from Massachusetts was chief clerk which Mr. Hunter so long received.

on that point I have no particular objection. || already on his feet before I expected to see The principal Assistant Secretary of State My friend, the Senator from New York, says him rise. [Laughter.] I retract anything I holds an office more of a political character. he has some information relating to that sub- said in derogation of that statement. He oversees the appointments, consular ap- ject, which I shall be very glad to hear. He Now, Mr. President, what is all this? The pointments particularly. He aids the Secretary will probably enlighten us, as he always does. first question in the order in which some Sen. in writing his communications to foreign min- But, with regard to the other particular matter,

ator treated it is, whether there shall be two isters, &c., and is more intimately connected which the honorable Senator froin Massachu. Assistant Secretaries of State ? Has the jaded with the Secretary himself, and with a change setts has moved to strike out, I think it abso. ingenuity of the Senator from Massachusetts--| of administration is likely to go out of office. lutely necessary that it should be stricken out. That particular place is not in its nature per- These things were provided for two years ago

venture to say it is jaded, because it has been

exercised so much' and 'so often in favor of manent.

after very considerable examination and care- these applications has the ingenuity of the So, sir, notwithstanding this office was origin. ful deliberation, and I have no doubt at all Senator from Massachusetts started any reason ally created for the purpose of doing justice to that they ought to remain, for the present at why we should have now two Assistant Secrea most valuable public servant, I am satisfied least.

taries of State? I know he said the War that it should remain; that it should be in its Mr. CONKLING. Mr. President, when the Department and the Treasury Department are nature permanent; that we shall always need Senate shall have refused to sustain the Commit organized with heads of bureaus. If ware two Assistant Secretaries of State having dis- tee on Appropriations in recommending reduc

to stop and discuss that I think I could give tinct duties, one of whom is to be considered tions so often that reducing expenditures be

ample reasons to warrant the saying that it a man to remain, and without whose aid no comes hopeless such recommendations ought makes nothing in favor of the idea that we are new Secretary can get along, and the other of

to cease.
A great soothsayer has said that-

to have in the

State Department, and in this a different and perhaps a political character.

* Things without remedy

Department alone, two Assistant Secretaries. My colleague has adverted to the fact that Should be without regard."

Why is it that the Foreign Office of the Govthere were two Assistant Secretaries of the War And yet I am inclined to think the commit

ernment from the morning of the Government Department, and also two Assistant Secretaries tee would indulge itself in recommendations until the war was able successfully to proceed for the Navy Department, and that one of each of reductions after the Senate had shown that without such a suggestion ? has been dispensed with. That is very true; its face was set like flint against them. There

Mr. WILSON. It is since the war that the and why? Because there are in those Depart- would be a sort of luxury in these recommend

office of this Assistant Secretary has been crenients lieads of bureaus, as suggested by the ations to me if it were only to enjoy the pleas. || ated. Senator from Massachusetts; the business is

ure I had from witnessing these exhibitions of Mr. CONKLING. I am aware of it. After divided up into departments, bureaus properly loyalty on the part of distinguished members the

completion of the war this office was cre: so called, which lave at their bead generally il of this body. Edmund Burke, I tliink, defined

ated; but that is no matter for any purpose ;



I will admit that it was after the war had Mr. DIXON. I think my friend is entirely warrant me in dcing it, to criticise him in any ostensibly, and to a great extent really no mistaken. I have heard of Mr. Smith fre- respect. doubt led to an accumulation and a diversity quently, but never of this identical Mr. Smith. of business in the State Department, which I never said that he was the reporter. Some

A message from the House of Representarequired or was argued to require additional body else inust have said it.

tives, by Mr. McPherson, its Clerk, announced help, that a Second Assistant Secretary was Mr. CONKLING. I beg pardon of the Sen.

that the House had agreed to the report of the supplied; and now, when looking to the future, ator from Connecticut. I am so accustomed

committee of conference on the disagreeing that exigency has gone, why is it, I inquire, to hearing timely and sagacious suggestious

votes of the two Houses on the bill (H. R. No. that we ought to have two Assistant Secretaries from him that hearing a " still small voice" of State ? in this neighborhood on this occasion making | 1059) to relieve certain citizens of North Caro

lina of disabilities. The incumbent is an excellent man, says one that ingenious allusion, I took it for granted

The message also announced that the House Senator, and another agrees with him. I have that it must proceed from the sagacious leader

had passed a joint resolution (H. R. No. 300) no doubt of it. If he is so excellent that he of the party to which my friend belongs. I

to authorize the Secretary of the Treasury to ought to be the Assistant Secretary, the under- have long admired the dexterity with which,

remit the duties on certain articles contributed chief of the Department, that argument might "in season and out of season,” he put in

to the National Association of American Sharpbe interesting to the gentleman who now holds make-weights like that. I do not know of any

shooters, in which the concurrrace of the Senthat place, for it might make this proposed in. gentleman who excels him in that; and when

ate was requested. cumbent formidable as a competitor, should I heard this, it sounded to me so like him that a change be proposed. But is it logical to say I took it for granted that it came from the that because a particular man who does not political inventor from Connecticut. [Laugh- The message also announced that the Speakoccupy an office would make an excellent in- | ter.] However, I acquit the Senator of the er of the House had signed the following encumbent for that office, therefore you should | authorship of the suggestion ; but it came from rolled bills and joint resolutions; and they were create a mate to it, to the end that he may somebody in his neighborhood; it came from thereupon signed by the President pro tempore occupy an office the fac simile of the one to an adjoining town to the Senator, precisely of the Senate: which you say he belongs, but which he does from which one in his neighborhood I do not A joint resolution (H. R. No. 266) to authornot happen to possess ? Mr. Hunter is a good know.

ize the enlargement of the Hygeia Hotel, at man, I have no doubt; I have heard always Now, Mr. President, to drop this matter of Fortress Monroe, Virginia; that he was in his way, and I have no belief to the examiner of claims, the information I had A joint resolution (H. R. No. 262) author. the contrary ; but if Mr. Hunter is desirable as a member of the committee, and that I have lizing certain distilled spirits to the Surgeon in the State Department, not as an under. gathered from various sources was and is that General for the use of the Army hospitals; Secretary, but in a place subordinate to that, this officer in the State Department is not a A bill (H, R. No. 659) granting a pension then, according to practice, the actual experi- | necessity looking to the future, and that the to Sarah E. Pickell; ment and the actual proof of the question, he necessity which justified it in the past is dimin- A bill (H. R. No. 516) for the relief of the belongs in the position of ehief clerk of the ishing so rapidly that it would be an im- widow and minor children of Benjamin B. Department, with pay appropriate to that provident thing to appropriate for it in the Naylor, late a pilot on the gunboat Patapsco; place and appropriate to him. future.

å bill (H, R. No. 454) granting a pension to Is there anything more to be said about it? Now, we come to the remaining one of this John Kelley; Not, I submit, unless the argument is sound trio, the Superintendent of Statistics. I recol- A bill (H. R. No. 524) granting a pension to that whenever you cannot put a man in the lect when the Monitor engaged the Merrimac Austin M. Partridge; place which you think he would adorn you are down in Hampton Roads, hearing some naval A bill (H. R. No. 526) increasing the pen. to create another place as near like that as you gentleman discoursing and describing, with sion of Susan A. Mitchell; can make it in order that you may put him, if great volume and zeal, the action, and talking A bill (H. R. No. 520) to place the name of not on the same pedestal, on an equal footing. | about irou-clads. He said there never was Josephine K, Bugher on the pension-roll; Two Wher suggestions are made. One is as

such an invention; it was the prettiest thing A bill (H. R. No. 519) granting a pension to to Mr. E. Peshine Smith, who, my friend from

and the bandiest thing that ever was; and, Eliza J. Rennard, widow of William K. Ren. Connecticut truly suggested, was

once the said he, every family ought to have one. Now, i nard, deceased, late a private in tenth Ohio reporter of our State, a good lawyer, a man

I do not know but that every family ought to volunteers of war of 1861; of high respectability, and of unusual ability have a bureau of statistics and somebody to A bill (H. R. No. 517) granting a pension to and attainment.

Mr. 'E. Peshine Smith holds superintend it. [Laughter.] The Senator from Cornelia K. Schmidt, widow of Adam Schmidt, the place of examiner of claims in the State Maine [Mr. FESSENDEN] does not think so. late & private in company A, thirty-seventh Department, and from this circumstance is He is not accustomed to thinking things which Ohio volunteers ; derived again an argument personal to Mr.

will not stand the test of reason and argument; A bill (H. R. No. 280) granting a pension to Smith, that he ought to be continued. Mr. and when I heard him say-I believe I am Margaret Huston ; President, I presume that I am not the only right in addressing this to him

; I think I can A bill (H. R. No. 258) for the relief of Mary member of this body who knows that Mr. E.

fasten it on him--when I heard him say that the B. Craig ; Peshine Smith, with or without this appropri

Bureau of Statistics ought to be consolidated, A bill (H. R. No. 257) for the relief of ation bill, with or without this amendment, | ought to have some local habitation and naine James L. Dickerson ; does not intend and is not to be induced to somewhere in some one place, I felt very sure A bill (H. R. No. 246) granting a pension hold hereafter this place. I doubt if he holds that I was right in thinking that, too. I had to Milton Anderson; it now; but I have no information which will thought about it several times and had con- A bill (H. R. No. 152) for the relief of the epable me to say that technically and formally cluded that that would be an excellent sugges- widow and children of Henry E. Morse ; his connection with it is severed; but it is

tion and a practical one. There is such a place A bill (H. R. No. 665) granting a pension to matter of notoriety that Mr. Smith is to have

in the Treasury Department, and it seems to Susan V. Berg ; charge of a daily journal in the State of New be one of those instances again in which the A bill (H. R. No. 667) granting a pension York, of which, I think, he has charge now.

office and the incumbency of the office present to Mary Graham; Therefore we may as well lay out of the case

some sort of repugnance or dissatisfaction. A bill (H. R. No. 668) granting a pension whatever there is personal to Mr. Smith, or

There is in the estimation of some Senators a to Elizabeth Butler, widow of Cyrus Batler ; whatever cogency there is in the fact that a man in the place who ought not to be there; A bill (H. R. No. 769) granting a pension man so good as Mr. Smith in the past held

but who the man is outside that ought to be to David Howe;

there, I do not know, and it is not important A bill (H. R. No. 772) granting a pension If the State Department hereafter requires I should; I shall be permitted to vote for his to Robert McCrory; an officer, in addition to the staff of that De

confirmation, following other Senators, when A bill (H. R. No. 774) granting pension partment, to examine accounts or claims, that his name comes here, if he is appointed by the to Amos Whitam ; fact will no doubt appear instantaneously with President, as I believe he is to be.

A bill (H. R. No. 776) granting a pension the exigency, and then we can act upon it; but

But there in that Department is a Bureau of to Zephaniah Knapp, of Luzerne county, Pennthe theory now is that we are to continue it Statistics, and there it should not be in this sylvania ; because Mr. Smith, an excellent man, is there.

bureau, or clerkship, as the Senator from A bill (II. R. No. 823) granting a pension This is the argument, in effect, made by the Massachusetts called it, if statistics are to be to George W. Lochor; Senator from Massachusetts, who introduced

perpetuated in the State Department. The A bill (H. R. No. 824) granting & pension prominently the fact that Mr. E. Peshine two things are repugnant; as we say some- to Annie Vaughn; Smith was there; and then by way of aiding

times in court, they cannot both be true, and A bill (H. R. No. 826) granting a pension and abetting him, my ingenious friend, [Mr.

one or the other ought be overset. The to Michael Mellon; Dixon,] who is always sagacious and on the alert, interjected as a make-weight that this very likely found out something about the to Ann Wilson; might be the reporter of the State of New facts. The facts in general terms are these : A bill (H. R. No. 828) for the relief of York, with a view to magnify the force of this The person who holds this office is one with Captain William McKean; suggestion ; and in that the honorable Senator whom I have long had an acquaintance; I À bill (H. R. No. 829) granting a pension from Massachusetts, gracefully and apparently knew bim more than twenty years ago, and I to Mrs. Susan Ten Eyck Williamson; and without any reluctance consented that this was

have seen him from time to tine ever since, A bill (H. R. No. 455) granting a pension and certainly I have no wish if the facts would to David Van Nordstrand.

this place.

the Mr. Smith.

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